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Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:06
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Originally Posted by Cloud1 View Post
This is a very sad state of affairs. However I have a question which I know will possibly generate healthy debate.

With social media being so much more advanced and customer reaction so sensitive, do the media and their response to such “breaking news” items put the final nail in the coffin? If there was a restriction that would not allow such negative journalism at such times would this make any difference? I ask only because of the sheer volume of customer queries on twitter and Facebook and the unnecessary comments from, what would seem to be, self proclaimed armchair financial experts citing every personal issue with Flybe as their reason for financial difficulty.

I appreciate that the public have the right to know what happens in the country but I do wonder if restrictions may just enable some breathing space?

Look forward to everyone’s thoughts particularly those close to business failures in the past.
Yes... the public have a right to know. Bit late for me as I booked my tickets for next week just a few days ago. But other pax who would be thinking of flying in the future should be made aware that their money could disappear without trace. Not just Thomas Cook and Monarch.... look at how Excel crashed 11 1/2 years ago.... they slashed fares to giveaway prices and then pulled the plug.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:24
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
The ones they operate for Flybe will probably stop.

Blue Islands will carry on.
Without a website / online booking ? With receipts received by Flybe on its behalf tied up a potential administration process ?

If Flybe ceases trading, I can not see BI carrying on.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:27
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We have flights booked for the end of this month, wouldn't touch it for any further in the future.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:42
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The fact that the news about Flybe is now being reported by the BBC will focus the minds of those involved in discussions around new financing. I suspect that by the end of January (and probably earlier), there will be a clear outcome
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 09:46
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
So who is brave enough to book Flybe flights for the summer? I would rather travel to another airport than take a chance they will be still around.

I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:03
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Originally Posted by Del Prado View Post
I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card.
remember it also needs to cost more than £100 to be covered. And while you could get your money back, if you actually need to travel you’ll end up needing to rebook and that could be much more expensive by the time you do it.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:11
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
remember it also needs to cost more than £100 to be covered. And while you could get your money back, if you actually need to travel you’ll end up needing to rebook and that could be much more expensive by the time you do it.
This is the concern. I have multiple trips with Flybe booked over coming months between the IOM and Manchester, Liverpool and Geneva. The problem will come that if Flybe does disappear, we will lose ~560 seats/day each way between Liverpool & Manchester with the only alternative being typically a single easyJet flight to LPL. That, is a problem.

I read a lot of commentary that the Flybe model is dead, train being the future etc but those that do say that, clearly do not live in areas where Flybe actually delivers a vital service. Additionally, in the IOM, Flybe has the contract for transportation of medical passengers to Liverpool. There's a big problem ahead not only here, but in other areas/regions in similar situations.

I do wonder also if an 'Administration' process is the best way for Connect to trim the fat here with Flybe and recover out of it the good bits, a smaller fleet, Virgin branded. It's been done before in many other sectors...
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:20
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When Flybe was rescued about a year ago, it was on the basis that it was almost bankrupt then.I and I am sure others, were expecting radical changes to routes etc, since it would seem that many of them were losing money, otherwise they would not have been in the position they were in. But what seems to have happened since then has been some cosmetic surgery, but maybe not to the extent required. Do they know what to do?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 10:34
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Originally Posted by True Blue View Post
When Flybe was rescued about a year ago, it was on the basis that it was almost bankrupt then.I and I am sure others, were expecting radical changes to routes etc, since it would seem that many of them were losing money, otherwise they would not have been in the position they were in. But what seems to have happened since then has been some cosmetic surgery, but maybe not to the extent required. Do they know what to do?
It does seem odd that very little pruning of the network was carried out over the past six months or so. I had assumed this indicated that the route structure as it stood was fairly robust and worth retaining until the time that Virgin Connect became the trading style and could develop it further. The fairly recent announcement of new domestic routes from SEN seemed to suggest that their plans of last year were still on course.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:07
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
remember it also needs to cost more than £100 to be covered. And while you could get your money back, if you actually need to travel you’ll end up needing to rebook and that could be much more expensive by the time you do it.
no problem on either front.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:36
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This has been on the cards for years sadly i’m not holding my breath i will have a job in Feb.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
It does seem odd that very little pruning of the network was carried out over the past six months or so. I had assumed this indicated that the route structure as it stood was fairly robust and worth retaining until the time that Virgin Connect became the trading style and could develop it further. The fairly recent announcement of new domestic routes from SEN seemed to suggest that their plans of last year were still on course.
Some routes were cut late last year.

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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:42
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Originally Posted by kfsimpson View Post
We have flights booked for the end of this month, wouldn't touch it for any further in the future.
I have flights booked for next week.... only booked a few days ago.... and yes, I am worried. I don't fancy arriving at Heathrow next Monday at 10 a.m. ( with BA from Cairo ) to then find out that the flight to Guernsey that afternoon no longer exists ! :-( In some way I would rather know now what is going to happen... Aurigny Gatwick return flights for the dates that I booked with Flybe are still 161 quid.... unchanged since a few days ago.... but how long will that last ?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post
This has been on the cards for years sadly i’m not holding my breath i will have a job in Feb.
My thoughts are with you and your colleagues, especially as there was uncertainty when the airline was first put up for sale. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:51
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Or is the the nuclear option for Virgin and Sobart to get the deal done. Put BE in administration and rise from the ashes a slimmer airline operating the way you want with no BE and pardon the pun..baggage of the old airline. Staff all on the contracts you want leasing deals on better terms etc etc
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 11:52
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
A big worry in my area with airports EXT and SOU if Flybe go under - SOU will have no one left basically
Neither will we at Newquay i"m afraid unless someone picks up the Slack.
May have to start looking for another job, shame as i love working there.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 12:38
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Like I said, LH was showing £180 return online for economy, instead they rebooked me on flexi fares of £490. My Flybe fare was non refundable economy.
I should have said what is available to flybe in Thier reservation system. Often other airlines will only make higher classes available to competitors. Working in airline ticketing for the last 9 years, both for handling agents and directly for airlines, I've lost count of the times I've had to reroute somebody and when going to check a flight on a competitor who we interline with, only full fare economy class is showing as available. It's why so much pressure was put on us to find alternatives within our own network or alliance, even if that may not necessarily have been the best for the customer.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 12:50
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A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed .
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 12:53
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Originally Posted by Del Prado View Post
I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card.
You're not very covered if you're left trying to get much more expensive replacement flights close to date of travel. It's always a risk
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:08
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Apart from the €2.6million initial payment to buyout the existing shareholders what other investment has the Connect Consortium made in FlyBE in the intervening 11 months?
Have they done enough themselves to warrant approaching Government for support.
They claimed to be investing €100 Million.
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