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Old 27th Oct 2019, 11:27
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Well only time will tell to see what happens as for the Connect name that could equally apply to connecting the regions as to connecting hubs.
Well said that man - nobody outside of the upper tier management probably knows what the full plans are for Summer 2020. We can guess and put our ideas out for public discussion but, at the end of the day, that is what they are, guesses, ideas and wishes.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 18:06
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That statement doesn't really say anything, all it says is that it'll connect the regions but connect it to what? Manchester and Heathrow? Anywhere that doesn't connect to those two could be in for worrying times.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 18:32
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See post #2432 - to recap, these are statements from Virgin Connect:



"At its heart, Virgin Connect will be passionately focused on becoming Europe's most loved and successful regional airline".

"As Flybe, we have been connecting passengers across the UK and Europe for 40 years...Virgin Connect will continue our work as Europe’s Largest Regional Airline."

"We will differentiate ourselves in the regional market upon rebranding next year."

"We will remain true to our heritage and reason for being, which is offering essential regional connectivity to local communities."

"We’ll be saying goodbye to purple and hello to red...whilst continuing to connect the regions & our passengers to what matters most."
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 19:03
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"We will remain true to our heritage and reason for being, which is offering essential regional connectivity to local communities."
Recent Flybe users at CWL, DSA and to a lesser extent SOU (where they appear to be re-trenching so some extent also) may beg to differ.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
That statement doesn't really say anything, all it says is that it'll connect the regions but connect it to what? Manchester and Heathrow? Anywhere that doesn't connect to those two could be in for worrying times.
I think people may well need to remember that Virgin Connect will be a separate entity and not a subsidiary like say KLM Cityhopper is.
Virgin are an investor and although yes it's quite probable they'll build up Manchester and Heathrow where possible and feed Virgin Atlantic the company will still need to make a profit so it's investors get a return. And I maybe wrong but I don't think that they would achieve that by withdrawing from key regional markets at Edinburgh, Southampton, Belfast and Birmingham and other smaller ones like Cardiff, Exeter and Newquay just to feed what is a small long haul airline at the moment at 2 airports but that is just my opinion.
Summer 2020 will probably give us some idea of where they'll go as an airline.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
Recent Flybe users at CWL, DSA and to a lesser extent SOU (where they appear to be re-trenching so some extent also) may beg to differ.
CWL and DSA always looked like attempts to find a way to make money with expensive Embraers, supported by airport money. Whats's been dropped from SOU - sun and regional French routes? Hardly core.

A few other points - Virgin only own 30% of BE, BE feed into MAN is already pretty extensive, slots at LHR are horrendously expensive, particularly at the peak times needed to support VS LH. Talk of LHR seems like positioning for a post 3rd runway world.

So - there will be some tweaking of MAN to improve connections to VS, any opportunities at LHR will be grabbed (a la IOM, GCI) and the deadwood will continue to be cut.
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Old 27th Oct 2019, 21:44
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I don't think we need to wait to S20. I would suggest that from Jan20 we will see further cuts and other changes to the network to ensure that S20 is in keeping with the overall plan
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Old 28th Oct 2019, 08:40
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There are reports at SEN that three Virgin Connect ATR72 will be based there. One of these, EI-FMK, flew DUB-NWI for respray yesterday (although reportedly due to it going back to the leasing company). EMB190 EI-GMK arrived at SEN on Satruday from AMS and is currently parked up.

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Old 29th Oct 2019, 11:03
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Flybe/ Virgin Connect CEO Mark Anderson, confirms the company are looking at getting larger aircraft and not just relying on the Dash8.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...arger-aircraft
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:32
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Well, how useful that they are getting rid off the larger E195s.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 12:52
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virginblue, I can sense the sarcasm but I don't think you've any idea how much those aircraft cost to the business in leasing costs, the term eyewatering doesn't do it justice.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 14:41
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Yep, and if responses that BEE get on social are anything to go by, there are plenty of previously loyal but now unhappy punters bemoaning the end of the sun routes from SOU, EXT, NWI and DSA.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
Yep, and if responses that BEE get on social are anything to go by, there are plenty of previously loyal but now unhappy punters bemoaning the end of the sun routes from SOU, EXT, NWI and DSA.
I wouldn’t be so worried about those. They tend to be more fickle and price-conscious. If someone had come along offering similar routes cheaper they’d ditch BE in a flash. No, it’s more a problem if they upset loyal punters regularly travelling on domestics or other higher frequency business routes.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 19:39
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If someone had come along offering similar routes cheaper they’d ditch BE in a flash.
Probably so. At least down in EXT they now have RYR on ALC and AGP.

It’s more a problem if they upset loyal punters regularly travelling on domestics or other higher frequency business routes
Indeed and this seems to be the focus, although this area has not been entirely entirely unscathed either.



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Old 29th Oct 2019, 20:10
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
Probably so. At least down in EXT they now have RYR on ALC and AGP.



Indeed and this seems to be the focus, although this area has not been entirely entirely unscathed either.

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Think SOU will go without any sun routes next summer in order to concentrate on expansion works!
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
virginblue, I can sense the sarcasm but I don't think you've any idea how much those aircraft cost to the business in leasing costs, the term eyewatering doesn't do it justice.
Sure, but if they were in a position to return them, they were also in a position to keep them on renegotiated, better terms.
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 23:42
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They were at one point just going to cut the loses by returning them and paying the penalty but decided it was better to keep them for a while and try to at least break even with them
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Old 29th Oct 2019, 23:52
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some sort of landing emergency on BE SOU-GLA this evening, no more details of actual incident
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Old 30th Oct 2019, 02:52
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Sure, but if they were in a position to return them, they were also in a position to keep them on renegotiated, better terms.
Why would they want to do that? Even with better terms the operating costs just to keep it in the air are more than double the eye watering lease cost. They don't want them, they want shot of them, it's as simple as that. If you knew the figures you'd understand why.
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Old 31st Oct 2019, 12:57
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some sort of landing emergency on BE SOU-GLA this evening, no more details of actual incident
https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/g...crews-17169939


It happens that often i’m surprised it even makes the papers.....I guess if one was a nervous flyer this is the type to avoid at all costs and take the easyjet option
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