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The statistics posted by Scottie Dog are, as always, interesting. As opposed to pax departing to all these destinations, are there a complimentary set for arriving pax?
How many travellers, for each destination, start and finish their trips at EGCC, as opposed to those pax starting and finishing, 'at the other end', and going home again?
No real axe to grind, but as a 'human geographer', just curious as to where everyone's going?
How many travellers, for each destination, start and finish their trips at EGCC, as opposed to those pax starting and finishing, 'at the other end', and going home again?
No real axe to grind, but as a 'human geographer', just curious as to where everyone's going?
A passing ear to the languages spoken might give an indication, though I am fully aware people may just be speaking their mother tongue and I do not begrudge them this! Language and identity go hand in hand, and it doesn't give any evidence to their residence status. However, in the absence of anything else it's a fun way to pass the time.
As a very small sample: the flights to Charleroi are pretty balanced language group wise with a split of English, French and Flemish on the flight, so an even mixture of in and outbound.
Eindhoven on FR: I heard a lot of Dutch the past 4 times I took the flight, more so than English. Though weirdly the advertisement for lottery cards and Duty Free was in German. Therefore assume a bias towards inbound to MAN.
Amsterdam on KLM: heavily dominated by Far East traffic, non-native English speakers. Judging by volume of luggage checked in, possibly long term. Students returning home? Mixture inbound and outbound.
Amsterdam on easyJet/Flybe: English dominates, so imagine outbound tourism.
Cathay Pacific: hard to tell as it's a bigger plane, but English and Australian accents were common.
The flights to Orlando, though, appeared to be nearly 100% solidly local accents heading outbound.
The statistics posted by Scottie Dog are, as always, interesting. As opposed to pax departing to all these destinations, are there a complimentary set for arriving pax?
Happy to be proved wrong if someone can quantify?
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This subject has always interested me over the years and - as 'boredintheairport' has mentioned - it's a good way to kill time on the journey.
I guess the answer is, it depends.
As already mentioned, if you are on one of the 'classic' sun routes to Majorca, the Costas or Orlando you can understandably expect near 100% UK nationals. However it has often surprised me how many foreign nationals are on other flights to/from Manchester. I remember waiting to board an EZY flight to Thessaloniki a couple of years back and listening to the languages and looking at passports, it was amazing to realize that this was not really a 'sun flight' as might be assumed, as there were not only plenty of Greeks but also Macedonians too (the FYROM kind).
Lots of Germans on LH flights etc. I would say a majority of Scandinavian flights have majority Scandies on board - Manchester's light seems to shine brightly in those parts.
Go further east and when traveling to eastern Europe destinations I have always been in the minority as a UK national. I would guess too that there are other routes (like the Iraqi flights) where there would be almost no UK citizens aboard.
My flights with Hainan have indicated around a 50:50 split (assumed) UK / Chinese in Business Class but it appears to be solidly Chinese down the back - although as always, it's difficult to tell which are Chinese nationals and which are British Chinese unless you see the passport..
What has surprised me most is the number of US citizens on our TATL flights even on TCX routes.
I guess the answer is, it depends.
As already mentioned, if you are on one of the 'classic' sun routes to Majorca, the Costas or Orlando you can understandably expect near 100% UK nationals. However it has often surprised me how many foreign nationals are on other flights to/from Manchester. I remember waiting to board an EZY flight to Thessaloniki a couple of years back and listening to the languages and looking at passports, it was amazing to realize that this was not really a 'sun flight' as might be assumed, as there were not only plenty of Greeks but also Macedonians too (the FYROM kind).
Lots of Germans on LH flights etc. I would say a majority of Scandinavian flights have majority Scandies on board - Manchester's light seems to shine brightly in those parts.
Go further east and when traveling to eastern Europe destinations I have always been in the minority as a UK national. I would guess too that there are other routes (like the Iraqi flights) where there would be almost no UK citizens aboard.
My flights with Hainan have indicated around a 50:50 split (assumed) UK / Chinese in Business Class but it appears to be solidly Chinese down the back - although as always, it's difficult to tell which are Chinese nationals and which are British Chinese unless you see the passport..
What has surprised me most is the number of US citizens on our TATL flights even on TCX routes.
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From my experience of GLA & EDI, the TATL are close to 80% US & CAN bascically due to the fall of the £ against the respective $s. It’s noticeable that TCX & VS/DL MCOs have had a huge increase in US nationals at Glasgow, where in the day it was single figures it’s now around 60-100 pax per flight using the Florida services with corresponding drop in Brits visiting the Land of Mouse. Only Thomson Sanford being more or less solely Brits
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This subject has always interested me over the years and - as 'boredintheairport' has mentioned - it's a good way to kill time on the journey.
I guess the answer is, it depends.
As already mentioned, if you are on one of the 'classic' sun routes to Majorca, the Costas or Orlando you can understandably expect near 100% UK nationals. However it has often surprised me how many foreign nationals are on other flights to/from Manchester. I remember waiting to board an EZY flight to Thessaloniki a couple of years back and listening to the languages and looking at passports, it was amazing to realize that this was not really a 'sun flight' as might be assumed, as there were not only plenty of Greeks but also Macedonians too (the FYROM kind).
Lots of Germans on LH flights etc. I would say a majority of Scandinavian flights have majority Scandies on board - Manchester's light seems to shine brightly in those parts.
Go further east and when traveling to eastern Europe destinations I have always been in the minority as a UK national. I would guess too that there are other routes (like the Iraqi flights) where there would be almost no UK citizens aboard.
My flights with Hainan have indicated around a 50:50 split (assumed) UK / Chinese in Business Class but it appears to be solidly Chinese down the back - although as always, it's difficult to tell which are Chinese nationals and which are British Chinese unless you see the passport..
What has surprised me most is the number of US citizens on our TATL flights even on TCX routes.
I guess the answer is, it depends.
As already mentioned, if you are on one of the 'classic' sun routes to Majorca, the Costas or Orlando you can understandably expect near 100% UK nationals. However it has often surprised me how many foreign nationals are on other flights to/from Manchester. I remember waiting to board an EZY flight to Thessaloniki a couple of years back and listening to the languages and looking at passports, it was amazing to realize that this was not really a 'sun flight' as might be assumed, as there were not only plenty of Greeks but also Macedonians too (the FYROM kind).
Lots of Germans on LH flights etc. I would say a majority of Scandinavian flights have majority Scandies on board - Manchester's light seems to shine brightly in those parts.
Go further east and when traveling to eastern Europe destinations I have always been in the minority as a UK national. I would guess too that there are other routes (like the Iraqi flights) where there would be almost no UK citizens aboard.
My flights with Hainan have indicated around a 50:50 split (assumed) UK / Chinese in Business Class but it appears to be solidly Chinese down the back - although as always, it's difficult to tell which are Chinese nationals and which are British Chinese unless you see the passport..
What has surprised me most is the number of US citizens on our TATL flights even on TCX routes.
I was surprised on a recent Barcelona flight to hear a lot of Spanish spoken, I had assumed it would be heavily outbound sun tourists.
You say that about Iraqi airways, and might say it about Saudia too, but when I've ended up sitting near the boarding queue for both I've heard a surprising number of English accents boarding. Appeared to be oil/industry workers, which makes sense.
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OK, let the speculation begin (and it is just that). Thomas Cook's Scandinavian arm are using the Hi-Fly A380. MT have two or even three flights from MAN to Orlando on certain days next summer. Not sure what the seating configuration is on the big bus but the thought that two of these could be combined on a single A380 thus releasing a couple of A330s has got to have crossed someone's mind other than mine. Lots of other factors to consider of course.
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Presumably the upgrade to the -1000 will maximize the load factor and profitability of the route. As you say, a 94.2% load factor is quite impressive considering how the route itself was called off the first time round, especially since Cathay were using the B747-300/400 back in the day. The capacity of a single -1000 is 366 compared to the 900's 280.
Think it's actually 334 seats in the 3-class A35X they'll be using on European runs, but still a good increase over the A359. Currently only showing the up-gauge for Dec-Feb but surely got to be a longer term capacity rise in the pipeline, given the high load factors which this route has sustained.
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Think it's actually 334 seats in the 3-class A35X they'll be using on European runs, but still a good increase over the A359. Currently only showing the up-gauge for Dec-Feb but surely got to be a longer term capacity rise in the pipeline, given the high load factors which this route has sustained.
OK, let the speculation begin (and it is just that). Thomas Cook's Scandinavian arm are using the Hi-Fly A380. MT have two or even three flights from MAN to Orlando on certain days next summer. Not sure what the seating configuration is on the big bus but the thought that two of these could be combined on a single A380 thus releasing a couple of A330s has got to have crossed someone's mind other than mine. Lots of other factors to consider of course.
And credit where it’s due, pax badly affected by the IT issue at the airport, and rather than pulling a LOCO “outside of our control” move, they hired a super to get their customers home. Well done Thomas Cook.
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I'm highly doubtful as to whether we will see a hi-fly 388 in Manchester anytime soon. However, that's not to rule out the possibility of it operating TransAtlantic routes from Manchester i.e. flights to the Caribbean, or destinations like LAX and SFO.
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Presumably the upgrade to the -1000 will maximize the load factor and profitability of the route. As you say, a 94.2% load factor is quite impressive considering how the route itself was called off the first time round, especially since Cathay were using the B747-300/400 back in the day. The capacity of a single -1000 is 366 compared to the 900's 280.
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If you are driving in from the east tomorrow I believe Ringway Road (past the Moss Nook) will be closed and airport traffic will be using a part of the new dual carriageway from near the Shell station. Best take it slow as there will be lots of confused passengers getting lost down Shadow Moss Rd 
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01DEC18-28DEC18 MTWTFSS MANCHESTER /HONG KONG
11DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
09DEC 1234567 MAN HKG 1130# 0705 CX 216 351*C
(sorry, I can't format this any better - it just shows that the current schedule ends on 9 Dec and commences again on 11 Dec)
CDG/FRA/MXP/LGW and even LHR have short term or one-off cancellations through this period too.
