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Flybe are in retrenchment mode as that is how they (might) survive as a business. Not good news for SOU but I fear that's how it has to be.
That "ambitious and innovative" approach that you mentioned RJ is what nearly brought them down, and of course that would have been much worse for SOU than what we are seeing now.
That "ambitious and innovative" approach that you mentioned RJ is what nearly brought them down, and of course that would have been much worse for SOU than what we are seeing now.
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Fly Lolo have really been drastically reducing their prices on the Skiathos service this summer with prices almost halved in the next 3 weeks during the peak summer months when in theory they should be full at this time of year
Some of the destinations next year I think they will struggle to fill , regardless of what or if aircraft they decide to go with
Some of the destinations next year I think they will struggle to fill , regardless of what or if aircraft they decide to go with
Fly Lolo have really been drastically reducing their prices on the Skiathos service this summer with prices almost halved in the next 3 weeks during the peak summer months when in theory they should be full at this time of year
Some of the destinations next year I think they will struggle to fill , regardless of what or if aircraft they decide to go with
Some of the destinations next year I think they will struggle to fill , regardless of what or if aircraft they decide to go with
when i mention to pals about SOU-JSI flights they know nothing about it - now its being sold at bucket shop prices like tonight or next week
Skiathos to Southampton - £45 one way or £145 return
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I think all the bucket and spade flights are being hit by the lack of last minute demand this year. Something to do with our summer, and the low £. This will particularly affect new/late entrants to the business.
I got SOU-Lake Garda, booked a package hol last week for tomorrow normally £1570 for a week for £599 half board 4 star lake hotel #bargain
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CAA passenger numbers for June show a 5.5% drop on same period last year as the summer capacity reductions start to bite.
Good article below but only goes to show how hugely reliant the airport is on BE!!
https://www.anna.aero/2018/07/30/sou...n-in-peak-s18/
Good article below but only goes to show how hugely reliant the airport is on BE!!
https://www.anna.aero/2018/07/30/sou...n-in-peak-s18/
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until the airport invests airside,I believe the figures will continue to decline,the airport has missed a golden opportunity to progress with London airports maxing out.
With the distinct possibility that Jet2 will take up Sun routes from Bournemouth in 2019,Southampton future looks increasingly fragile.
until the airport invests airside,I believe the figures will continue to decline,the airport has missed a golden opportunity to progress with London airports maxing out.
With the distinct possibility that Jet2 will take up Sun routes from Bournemouth in 2019,Southampton future looks increasingly fragile.
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until the airport invests airside,I believe the figures will continue to decline,the airport has missed a golden opportunity to progress with London airports maxing out.
With the distinct possibility that Jet2 will take up Sun routes from Bournemouth in 2019,Southampton future looks increasingly fragile.
until the airport invests airside,I believe the figures will continue to decline,the airport has missed a golden opportunity to progress with London airports maxing out.
With the distinct possibility that Jet2 will take up Sun routes from Bournemouth in 2019,Southampton future looks increasingly fragile.
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You can dummy book the max of 38 passengers onto almost any of the flights, which suggests the loads are pretty poor. Gonna need a huge advertising push if they are gonna make it work next year, and the website needs a good tidy up. Currently it fails to load for me the first time I try to access it, and there are a few inconsistencies to be found on the site. One positive (partially due to low loads I guess) is that operationally the route seems to have been fairly successful so far with no fuel stops required or major delays or cancellations even in the recent hot weather (as far as I am aware anyway...).
There's an interesting podcast done by AviaDev interviewing the CEO, Paul Dendle which is worth a listen. The Canaries operation from other UK airports seems quite resourceful operationally, especially considering people generally don't care for crap flight times if they can save a few quid.
A link can be found on this page: https://www.aviationdevelop.com/social-feed
I do hope they can make the operation work though, as even though from a passenger number point of view there won't be much gain, it will help to diversify the airports operations and provide local holidaymakers with some extra choice as I'm sure there are plenty who realise there is only so many times you can go to Alicante, Palma or Faro before it gets a bit underwhelming!
There's an interesting podcast done by AviaDev interviewing the CEO, Paul Dendle which is worth a listen. The Canaries operation from other UK airports seems quite resourceful operationally, especially considering people generally don't care for crap flight times if they can save a few quid.
A link can be found on this page: https://www.aviationdevelop.com/social-feed
I do hope they can make the operation work though, as even though from a passenger number point of view there won't be much gain, it will help to diversify the airports operations and provide local holidaymakers with some extra choice as I'm sure there are plenty who realise there is only so many times you can go to Alicante, Palma or Faro before it gets a bit underwhelming!
tech stop outbound on the JSI will be BRU when loads and/or hot temps dictate off SOU
inbound will be volos or SKG off from JSI
stops not been needed so far due loads which have permitted non-stop ops both ways
source flybe crew last week
inbound will be volos or SKG off from JSI
stops not been needed so far due loads which have permitted non-stop ops both ways
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With the aircraft load capped at 97 and the fact you can book in excess of 36 passenger still on many services with the fares dropped as well , there really shouldn’t be a need to tech stop
I guess tech stopping in BOH would have written in the contract as a “ no “ to save face at Lolo should it have become necessary
I guess tech stopping in BOH would have written in the contract as a “ no “ to save face at Lolo should it have become necessary
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It seems that they're caught between a rock and a hard place here. They'll obviously want to sell as many seats as possible, but doing so increases the risk of a tech stop and if that happens, given the time it would add to the sector, it's very unlikely the aircraft would make it back to Southampton before the airport closed for the night.
I also don't get why they could be performance limited having sold less than 97 seats, surely the 97 seat figure was arrived at to make the performance work? Otherwise why not just sell the whole aircraft and tech stop if required?
That said, I don't understand the negativity towards Lolo on here. I don't like the name and the website could be much better than it currently is, but at least they are trying something new and innovating.
I'm sure SOU airport aren't pinning all their hopes for the future on them, but if they succeed it will be good for the airport as well as the airline.
It just seems strange that people who post on the SOU forum and are supposedly supportive of the airport seem to take great delight in ripping Lolo to shreds seemingly just for existing and trying to make new routes work from SOU. I'd understand it from BOH fanboys but it does seem a little strange how much dislike Lolo have attracted on here from almost everyone.
I also don't get why they could be performance limited having sold less than 97 seats, surely the 97 seat figure was arrived at to make the performance work? Otherwise why not just sell the whole aircraft and tech stop if required?
That said, I don't understand the negativity towards Lolo on here. I don't like the name and the website could be much better than it currently is, but at least they are trying something new and innovating.
I'm sure SOU airport aren't pinning all their hopes for the future on them, but if they succeed it will be good for the airport as well as the airline.
It just seems strange that people who post on the SOU forum and are supposedly supportive of the airport seem to take great delight in ripping Lolo to shreds seemingly just for existing and trying to make new routes work from SOU. I'd understand it from BOH fanboys but it does seem a little strange how much dislike Lolo have attracted on here from almost everyone.
It seems that they're caught between a rock and a hard place here. They'll obviously want to sell as many seats as possible, but doing so increases the risk of a tech stop and if that happens, given the time it would add to the sector, it's very unlikely the aircraft would make it back to Southampton before the airport closed for the night.
I also don't get why they could be performance limited having sold less than 97 seats, surely the 97 seat figure was arrived at to make the performance work? Otherwise why not just sell the whole aircraft and tech stop if required?
That said, I don't understand the negativity towards Lolo on here. I don't like the name and the website could be much better than it currently is, but at least they are trying something new and innovating.
I'm sure SOU airport aren't pinning all their hopes for the future on them, but if they succeed it will be good for the airport as well as the airline.
It just seems strange that people who post on the SOU forum and are supposedly supportive of the airport seem to take great delight in ripping Lolo to shreds seemingly just for existing and trying to make new routes work from SOU. I'd understand it from BOH fanboys but it does seem a little strange how much dislike Lolo have attracted on here from almost everyone.
I also don't get why they could be performance limited having sold less than 97 seats, surely the 97 seat figure was arrived at to make the performance work? Otherwise why not just sell the whole aircraft and tech stop if required?
That said, I don't understand the negativity towards Lolo on here. I don't like the name and the website could be much better than it currently is, but at least they are trying something new and innovating.
I'm sure SOU airport aren't pinning all their hopes for the future on them, but if they succeed it will be good for the airport as well as the airline.
It just seems strange that people who post on the SOU forum and are supposedly supportive of the airport seem to take great delight in ripping Lolo to shreds seemingly just for existing and trying to make new routes work from SOU. I'd understand it from BOH fanboys but it does seem a little strange how much dislike Lolo have attracted on here from almost everyone.
i don't think folk here are showing negativity towards Lolo - it's more like informed observation and from experience - (professional airline experience, not amrchair CEO's and plane spotters) my 40 years of holiday airline experience tells me that Lolo needs to do something to make their services work and be apparent from SOU and as fas I can see they have not - whether that be advertising local and or more distant, travel agencies, and getting other tour operators on board to share the load and risk of the flight series etc etc
Volotea did not make it with selling their own scheduled services from SOU nor SEN so they just fly in now for TUI Holidays (packages)
Air Malta has started from SEN to MLA via on some days Cagliari and Catania with selling rights
the IT market down this way EXT BOH and SOU is pretty much sewn up by TUI and in part Thomas Cook from EXT
Palmair is long gone sadly and they were the only ones who made it work, once - and they had a massive loyal repeat clientele plus their own high st agencies - but still they closed down.
With the aircraft load capped at 97 and the fact you can book in excess of 36 passenger still on many services with the fares dropped as well , there really shouldn’t be a need to tech stop
I guess tech stopping in BOH would have written in the contract as a “ no “ to save face at Lolo should it have become necessary
I guess tech stopping in BOH would have written in the contract as a “ no “ to save face at Lolo should it have become necessary
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i don't think folk here are showing negativity towards Lolo - it's more like informed observation and from experience - (professional airline experience, not amrchair CEO's and plane spotters) my 40 years of holiday airline experience tells me that Lolo needs to do something to make their services work and be apparent from SOU and as fas I can see they have not - whether that be advertising local and or more distant, travel agencies, and getting other tour operators on board to share the load and risk of the flight series etc etc
Volotea did not make it with selling their own scheduled services from SOU nor SEN so they just fly in now for TUI Holidays (packages)
Air Malta has started from SEN to MLA via on some days Cagliari and Catania with selling rights
the IT market down this way EXT BOH and SOU is pretty much sewn up by TUI and in part Thomas Cook from EXT
Palmair is long gone sadly and they were the only ones who made it work, once - and they had a massive loyal repeat clientele plus their own high st agencies - but still they closed down.
Volotea did not make it with selling their own scheduled services from SOU nor SEN so they just fly in now for TUI Holidays (packages)
Air Malta has started from SEN to MLA via on some days Cagliari and Catania with selling rights
the IT market down this way EXT BOH and SOU is pretty much sewn up by TUI and in part Thomas Cook from EXT
Palmair is long gone sadly and they were the only ones who made it work, once - and they had a massive loyal repeat clientele plus their own high st agencies - but still they closed down.
Volotea has only ever served one destination within the UK on a scheduled basis and that was only SOU, the airlines flights to SEN have always been chartered flights operating on behalf of TUI as they do with their current SOU flights to Ibiza and Palma.
Volotea previously operated twice weekly scheduled flights from SOU to Palma and once weekly to Ibiza along with the current twice weekly flights to Palma operated on behalf of TUI as well as Ibiza once a week which was originally scheduled.
SOU has a huge catchment area and largely a wealthy one and the airport and airlines need to be more proactive in promoting flights from the airport, the amount of people that I chat to are unaware of what is on offer and even Vueling didn't last long on BCN to SOU a route that surely should have succeeded but it didn't purely because hardly no one other than aviation enthusiasts knew it existed and therefore loads were light but theoretically the route should have been a success and could have culminated in Vueling expanding at SOU in a similar way to how they have done at CWL.
There was talk on these forums a few weeks ago regarding EasyJet starting 4 x weekly flights from Palma in summer 2019, since nothing has materialised I should imagine that we can take that rumour with a large pinch of salt but it would be absolutely great for the airport if it eventually happened.
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Good post but if I can just point out one error!
Volotea has only ever served one destination within the UK on a scheduled basis and that was only SOU, the airlines flights to SEN have always been chartered flights operating on behalf of TUI as they do with their current SOU flights to Ibiza and Palma.
Volotea previously operated twice weekly scheduled flights from SOU to Palma and once weekly to Ibiza along with the current twice weekly flights to Palma operated on behalf of TUI as well as Ibiza once a week which was originally scheduled.
SOU has a huge catchment area and largely a wealthy one and the airport and airlines need to be more proactive in promoting flights from the airport, the amount of people that I chat to are unaware of what is on offer and even Vueling didn't last long on BCN to SOU a route that surely should have succeeded but it didn't purely because hardly no one other than aviation enthusiasts knew it existed and therefore loads were light but theoretically the route should have been a success and could have culminated in Vueling expanding at SOU in a similar way to how they have done at CWL.
There was talk on these forums a few weeks ago regarding EasyJet starting 4 x weekly flights from Palma in summer 2019, since nothing has materialised I should imagine that we can take that rumour with a large pinch of salt but it would be absolutely great for the airport if it eventually happened.
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Good post but if I can just point out one error!
Volotea has only ever served one destination within the UK on a scheduled basis and that was only SOU, the airlines flights to SEN have always been chartered flights operating on behalf of TUI as they do with their current SOU flights to Ibiza and Palma.
Volotea previously operated twice weekly scheduled flights from SOU to Palma and once weekly to Ibiza along with the current twice weekly flights to Palma operated on behalf of TUI as well as Ibiza once a week which was originally scheduled.
SOU has a huge catchment area and largely a wealthy one and the airport and airlines need to be more proactive in promoting flights from the airport, the amount of people that I chat to are unaware of what is on offer and even Vueling didn't last long on BCN to SOU a route that surely should have succeeded but it didn't purely because hardly no one other than aviation enthusiasts knew it existed and therefore loads were light but theoretically the route should have been a success and could have culminated in Vueling expanding at SOU in a similar way to how they have done at CWL.
There was talk on these forums a few weeks ago regarding EasyJet starting 4 x weekly flights from Palma in summer 2019, since nothing has materialised I should imagine that we can take that rumour with a large pinch of salt but it would be absolutely great for the airport if it eventually happened.
thanks Canberra for the Volotea info and the corrections -
well SOU and Lolo has a great opportunity but if they screw it up then it will not happen
many of the new routes announced for next summer such as Bari Tivat Kalamata Salonika Bourgas and Split are highly specialist niche routes and frankly who from SOU 'en masse' is going to book those seat-only unless offered with a package (think Citalia Sunvil Balkan Holidays etc etc)
almeria and murcia - they are both not that far from each other, so why fly to both in the first year of ops?
I don't get it...
As for Pristina - well Germania had been running that one from LGW for some years to Kosovo but has now dropped it from UK
Kosovo from SOU? not sure of the logic in that one - any ideas???
EFL CFU and KGS - all mass market package destinations - but seat only to all 3? they really need to do some marketing as I said in my OP.
EZY for Palma next summer is already on everyone's radar it seems, and of course EZY regulars will get email updates on all new services
well SOU and Lolo has a great opportunity but if they screw it up then it will not happen
many of the new routes announced for next summer such as Bari Tivat Kalamata Salonika Bourgas and Split are highly specialist niche routes and frankly who from SOU 'en masse' is going to book those seat-only unless offered with a package (think Citalia Sunvil Balkan Holidays etc etc)
almeria and murcia - they are both not that far from each other, so why fly to both in the first year of ops?
I don't get it...
As for Pristina - well Germania had been running that one from LGW for some years to Kosovo but has now dropped it from UK
Kosovo from SOU? not sure of the logic in that one - any ideas???
EFL CFU and KGS - all mass market package destinations - but seat only to all 3? they really need to do some marketing as I said in my OP.
EZY for Palma next summer is already on everyone's radar it seems, and of course EZY regulars will get email updates on all new services
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I would like to know where this so called rumour actually originated from as I've read nothing on the internet other than what's been mentioned on these forums but none the less I hope that it does come to fruition.