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Old 30th Aug 2018, 20:50
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Flylolo is never going to be a success at SOU,the advertising and promotion is poor,there are to many restrictions on aircraft capabilities around the runway length and to cap it all the late curfew at the airport is a major constriction. BOU offers the answer,and with future increases in aircraft size per fleet, Southampton will see a steady decline in Pax due to airside limitations that frankly should have been addressed years ago!
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Originally Posted by RW20
Flylolo is never going to be a success at SOU,the advertising and promotion is poor,there are to many restrictions on aircraft capabilities around the runway length and to cap it all the late curfew at the airport is a major constriction. BOU offers the answer,and with future increases in aircraft size per fleet, Southampton will see a steady decline in Pax due to airside limitations that frankly should have been addressed years ago!
Wow, this thread by certain posters has been reduced to nothing other than SOU bashing recently, the airport still delivers circa 2m per annum and offers an alternative to bucket and spades BOU. Its not perfect and i agree that more could be done to push it forward but it also offers a viable option for many business and leisure travellers alike!

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Old 31st Aug 2018, 13:59
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I sorry you feel we are "bashing SOU",but nothing would give me more pleasure then seeing the airport progress.However this is highly unlightly with the present set up.
Indeed it's very possible the pax figures will go down not up!
SOU needs investment! Full stop.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 14:59
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I sorry you feel we are "bashing SOU",but nothing would give me more pleasure then seeing the airport progress.However this is highly unlightly with the present set up.
Indeed it's very possible the pax figures will go down not up!
SOU needs investment! Full stop.
I don't think it's 'SOU bashing', it's more an expression of frustration by those who care about the airport at the lack of investment, and therefore possible decline. Posts like this were normal fare on the SEN thread for years, and SEN was in
a very parlous state until Stobart came along, spent about £150 million and crucially extended the runway by nearly 1000 ft.

I know Stobart leave a lot to be desired when it comes to running an airport/airline, but SEN does well in Which surveys for customer satisfaction.

SOU starts with a much higher base than SEN, so let's hope it's onward and upwards.
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Good valid points by Planespeaking,it's simple :lack of investment=decline in services and Pax.Years have gone by with very little development, continuing in this vane will only accelerate SOU demise.I can't see any forceable change,it's a missed opportunity to give the South a viable thriving airport ,an alternative to London ,after all there's not many airports that have a railway station and motorway network on there doorstep!
imagine what BOU would be like with these facilities !!!



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Old 31st Aug 2018, 18:05
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,after all there's not many airports that have a railway station and motorway network on there doorstep!
and a short trunway and limited operating hours
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 23:22
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Cityflyer, if I was marketing Southampton, I’d become a pain in their backside!
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agreed - perfect fit

also - wonder if Stobart would ever want SOU in their airport portfolio?
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I hardly could see Stobart going into Southampton in any order capacity than their current Cork route in the guise of Aer Lingus...
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I hardly could see Stobart going into Southampton in any order capacity than their current Cork route in the guise of Aer Lingus...
I mean in terms of buying and redeveloping the airport.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 00:27
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
I hardly could see Stobart going into Southampton in any order capacity than their current Cork route in the guise of Aer Lingus...
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart) ever announced Dublin to Southampton, it's something that is extremely possible in my opinion regardless of the fact that Flybe currently code share on the route.

Another airline I'm surprised about is HOP, I was rather expecting them to announce Paris Orly when Flybe stopped flying there, same could be said about Lyon.

A connection with Madrid on Iberia Regional would be a good addition and they have the right aircraft for Southampton as well.

So many possibilities aren't there!
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Another airline I'm surprised about is HOP, I was rather expecting them to announce Paris Orly when Flybe stopped flying there, same could be said about Lyon.
Didn't Flybe pick up Orly after Air France dropped it?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Didn't Flybe pick up Orly after Air France dropped it?
Yes they did but I had expected AF to have picked it up again. Both Air France and the current Flybe Paris operations from SOU have gone back and forth between CDG and ORY on two previous occasions so with Flybe operating to CDG I was rather expecting that AF or rather HOP may have resumed ORY to SOU but obviously it never happened.
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Yes they did but I had expected AF to have picked it up again. Both Air France and the current Flybe Paris operations from SOU have gone back and forth between CDG and ORY on two previous occasions so with Flybe operating to CDG I was rather expecting that AF or rather HOP may have resumed ORY to SOU but obviously it never happened.
Don't they codeshare with Flybe? If they do they may feel SOU is covered through that and KLM.
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FlyLolo (Skiathos) over the summer has averaged 41 pas ex SOU (high of 80, low of 24)
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Don't they codeshare with Flybe? If they do they may feel SOU is covered through that and KLM.
AF do code share with Flybe on SOU to CDG and as well as with KLM on SOU to AMS.

As your aware KLM also are on the SOU to AMS route with their own aircraft hence why I mentioned the possibility of AF also operating to Paris from SOU albeit to ORY in conjunction with Flybe to CDG still using a code share.

AF have code shares on the majority if not all of the ex SOU to France routes and with Flybe recently axing Lyon I was rather expecting HOP to pick up the route as it would be a perfect fit for them in my opinion.

With IAG expanding their Iberia Express brand from Madrid including several destinations within the United Kingdom the possibility of Iberia Express with smaller aircraft as in CRJ's I think would also be a perfect fit for a possible SOU to MAD route.

It's a shame that Vueling had not retained their A319's and made another attempt at SOU to BCN a route that I would be very happy to see again.
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AF do code share with Flybe on SOU to CDG and as well as with KLM on SOU to AMS.

As your aware KLM also are on the SOU to AMS route with their own aircraft hence why I mentioned the possibility of AF also operating to Paris from SOU albeit to ORY in conjunction with Flybe to CDG still using a code share.

AF have code shares on the majority if not all of the ex SOU to France routes and with Flybe recently axing Lyon I was rather expecting HOP to pick up the route as it would be a perfect fit for them in my opinion.

With IAG expanding their Iberia Express brand from Madrid including several destinations within the United Kingdom the possibility of Iberia Express with smaller aircraft as in CRJ's I think would also be a perfect fit for a possible SOU to MAD route.

It's a shame that Vueling had not retained their A319's and made another attempt at SOU to BCN a route that I would be very happy to see again.
Vueling still have their A319s based at BCN. For Iberia it'd have to be Regional operated by Air Nostrum and i am surprised that Southampton doesn't have Mad and BCN as destinations
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Over the Summer period, Air Nostrum have been short of aircraft and have been leasing planes in to cover their programme so this may hold them back. Having said that, their CRJ's would be ideal - flew back with them from ACE to VLC last week and it was very comfortable for a 150 minute sector.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Vueling still have their A319s based at BCN. For Iberia it'd have to be Regional operated by Air Nostrum and i am surprised that Southampton doesn't have Mad and BCN as destinations
I meant to type Iberia Regional as in Air Nostrum with their CRJ's rather than Iberia Express.

I just had a check and notice that Vueling do indeed still operate 5 A319's, I thought that they had let the fleet.

Southampton could well do with the likes of IAG with possible routes being,

BACF summer weekend schedules to Alicante, Faro, Florence, Ibiza, Malaga, Nice and Palma with EMB190

Iberia Regional (Air Nostrum) to Madrid with CRJ's

Vueling to Barcelona with A319/320


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Old 4th Sep 2018, 15:15
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A lot of talk of links from SOU with destinations like Madrid and Barcelona for example,but for these to transpire and survive requires a forward looking management team with good back up advertising!.Alas this is not the case with SOU and hasnt been for many a year i.e. Vueling to Barcelona,and currently Flylolo to Skiathos for example.As quoted many times in the past,SOU has the catchment,transport links and much potential for expansion given investment and good management.There rests the case!
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