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Old 18th Mar 2018, 23:26
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Absolute scandal. Heads should roll. Unbelievable. Has the likes of this ever caused disruption at every other airport in a similar climate, and to every airline that operates from them? Apart from Slothampton the only ones I can think of are those on this list of shame

I hope they take a long hard look at themselves and then singlehandedly adjust the economic climate in which airlines and airports operate so they can make the necessary improvements.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 14:53
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LoLo Flights have a busy program from SOU for S19 now bookable in their system (Jun-Oct):

Monday - Corfu/Kefalonia/Kalamata (Corfu ends, Kalamata starts)
Tuesday - Skiathos/Murcia/Salonika
Wednesday - Kos/ Almeria
Thursday - Pristina/Tivat
Friday - Split/Skiathos/Bari
Saturday - Dubrovnik/Kos/Murcia
Sunday - Bourgas/Almeria

That's a tight schedule to carry out planned routes using a rumoured ex KLM F70 and hope the air frame is reliable!!

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Old 19th Mar 2018, 15:21
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An ambitious program from Lolo, something Southampton needs,however will a F70 capacity offer a decent pax price to make it a viable propersition?.Would a F100 be more appropriate?.
Surely a Palma flight would offer a more attractive propersition,given the fact that there is a huge reduction in capacity from SOU on this route.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 15:49
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Not sure if a F100 would be payload restricted for some of the Greece flights?
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 13:01
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BREAKING NEWS

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/16104908.amp/
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 13:42
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If this is to be the last summer for the E95 on sun routes before it leaves the BE fleet, interested to get your thoughts on whether the E75 can replace it from SOU or are there field performance restrictions in hot conditions!? This of course will have a bearing on whether BE continue the med destinations, cheers

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 09:17
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Originally Posted by stewyb
LoLo Flights have a busy program from SOU for S19 now bookable in their system (Jun-Oct):

Monday - Corfu/Kefalonia/Kalamata (Corfu ends, Kalamata starts)
Tuesday - Skiathos/Murcia/Salonika
Wednesday - Kos/ Almeria
Thursday - Pristina/Tivat
Friday - Split/Skiathos/Bari
Saturday - Dubrovnik/Kos/Murcia
Sunday - Bourgas/Almeria

That's a tight schedule to carry out planned routes using a rumoured ex KLM F70 and hope the air frame is reliable!!
an adventurous schedule even for a small time specialist tour proprietor running out of LGW let alone SOU

sorry to be raining on the parade but this lot will not see the light of day unless the sales pitch is strong and hard
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 09:57
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Strong and Hard.

Amen.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 11:27
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Looks as if Dusseldorf will be dropped from the end of the summer season, unless there is still more of the Flybe winter schedule to be released.

Small bit of good news is the Esprit Ski/Ski Total flights to Chambery will be operated by an E195 rather than a Q400 this coming winter.

https://www.southamptonairport.com/n...e-to-chambery/
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:21
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Hopefully Düsseldorf has yet to be loaded into the system if not that means there will be no more links from SOU to Germany which is unbelievable really considering at one point or another we've had links to DUS, FRA, HAM (via ANR), HAJ, MUN and PAD.

If only Eurowings weren't so stretched fleet wise as their DHC8's would be perfect for a couple of German destinations from SOU.

We definitely seem to be going backwards at SOU with these recent cutbacks in the destinations.

Wishful thinking but SOU could have seen a few of those routes continued by,

Düsseldorf by Eurowings
Hamburg by Eurowings
Lyon by HOP
Munich by Eurowings

Over the last three decades SOU has lost and gained many routes but it has never been able to reach the full figure of 50 destinations on offer at any time which for an airport having such a large and fairly affluent catchment area is unbelievable.

Previous destinations that have come and gone from Southampton over those decades are,

Alghero, Angers, Antwerp, Barcelona, Belfast International, Berne, Biarritz, Birmingham, Blackpool, Bristol, Brussels, Caen, Cardiff, Cherbourg, Clermont-Ferrand, Deauville, Dinard, Dijon, Dubrovnik, Exeter, Frankfurt, Galway, Grenoble, Hamburg, Hannover, Inverness, Isle of Man, Le Havre, Le Touquet, Liverpool, Malta, Milan MXP, Munich, Murcia, Newquay, Nice, Paderborn, Paris ORLY, Pau, Rotterdam, Split, St Mary's, Teesside, Tenerife, Toulouse, Tours, Varna, Zurich.

That's a lot but obviously quite a few of those destinations would not be possible these days but there are quite a few that are especially if the likes of Easyjet were interested.

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:25
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we used to have IBZ and MAH too? Thomson with air Europa i think?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:26
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Based E 195 arrives this weekend for the start of the summer routes to Palma , Faro , Malaga and Alicante

Easy jet flights moves to a Sat until mid April , which is when they should release there winter schedule

Nothing on the Southampton website regarding the Lolo flights for next summer , I would imagine they want a little bit more detail about who is operating etc before it goes viral
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 14:30
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Originally Posted by rog747
we used to have IBZ and MAH too? Thomson with air Europa i think?
IBZ and MAH are current destinations from SOU for summer 2018 with Volotea to IBZ and Flybe to MAH both operating on behalf of TUI.

That's why neither we're in my list of former destinations ex SOU!

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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 17:22
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Originally Posted by canberra97
IBZ and MAH are current destinations from SOU for summer 2018 with Volotea to IBZ and Flybe to MAH both operating on behalf of TUI.

That's why neither we're in my list of former destinations ex SOU!
ah - missed that
must be charters then>? good to see Thomson still going there
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Originally Posted by canberra97
Hopefully Düsseldorf has yet to be loaded into the system if not that means there will be no more links from SOU to Germany which is unbelievable really considering at one point or another we've had links to DUS, FRA, HAM (via ANR), HAJ, MUN and PAD.

If only Eurowings weren't so stretched fleet wise as their DHC8's would be perfect for a couple of German destinations from SOU.

We definitely seem to be going backwards at SOU with these recent cutbacks in the destinations.

Wishful thinking but SOU could have seen a few of those routes continued by,

Düsseldorf by Eurowings
Hamburg by Eurowings
Lyon by HOP
Munich by Eurowings

Over the last three decades SOU has lost and gained many routes but it has never been able to reach the full figure of 50 destinations on offer at any time which for an airport having such a large and fairly affluent catchment area is unbelievable.

Previous destinations that have come and gone from Southampton over those decades are,

Alghero, Angers, Antwerp, Barcelona, Belfast International, Berne, Biarritz, Birmingham, Blackpool, Bristol, Brussels, Caen, Cardiff, Cherbourg, Clermont-Ferrand, Deauville, Dinard, Dijon, Dubrovnik, Exeter, Frankfurt, Galway, Grenoble, Hamburg, Hannover, Inverness, Isle of Man, Le Havre, Le Touquet, Liverpool, Malta, Milan MXP, Munich, Murcia, Newquay, Nice, Paderborn, Paris ORLY, Pau, Rotterdam, Split, St Mary's, Teesside, Tenerife, Toulouse, Tours, Varna, Zurich.

That's a lot but obviously quite a few of those destinations would not be possible these days but there are quite a few that are especially if the likes of Easyjet were interested.
Who operated the Zurich route? Cannot remember that one.

It is very strange as you say. The Munich one is more odd for me. BM aren't exactly blessed with a good route network, and the SOU route was clearly growing (23% this year). Düsseldorf would undoubtedly be a loss as well, but flymaybe are getting rid of a load of Q400s without any replacements. The continental routes are going to be the first to go, Lyon looked to have performed well but is being dropped also. Ezy are definitely the perfect fit for SOU and hopefully the new MD will give them anything they want. Here's an interesting question, what would SOU look like now if Stobart had bought from BAA?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 20:58
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Originally Posted by rog747
ah - missed that
must be charters then>? good to see Thomson still going there
Or TUI even as the brand name of Thomson is history!

Just in case you also missed it but Volotea also fly to Palma twice weekly on behalf of TUI, no scheduled flights from Volotea ex SOU for summer 2018 just the three charter flights for TUI to Ibiza and Palma.
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Who operated the Zurich route? Cannot remember that one.

It is very strange as you say. The Munich one is more odd for me. BM aren't exactly blessed with a good route network, and the SOU route was clearly growing (23% this year). Düsseldorf would undoubtedly be a loss as well, but flymaybe are getting rid of a load of Q400s without any replacements. The continental routes are going to be the first to go, Lyon looked to have performed well but is being dropped also. Ezy are definitely the perfect fit for SOU and hopefully the new MD will give them anything they want. Here's an interesting question, what would SOU look like now if Stobart had bought from BAA?
British Airways operated SOU to ZURICH six weekly flights with EMB145, the timings weren't perfect for business as they left SOU mid afternoon.

British Airways had a fairly decent network from Southampton at one point during the 1990's and early 2000's and operated to the following destinations Belfast City, Brussels, Edinburgh, Frankfurt, Glasgow, Guernsey, Isle of Man (former Manx Airways route), Leeds, Manchester, Paris, Zurich.

In the mid to late 1980's British Airways operated a short lived Edinburgh-Manchester-Birmingham-Southampton route with a HS748.

Prior to April 1980 British Airways operated twice daily to Jersey with Viscount 800, prior to 1976 British also operated a daily service to Paris LBG with Viscount 800 (former Cambrian route).

If British Airways Cityflyer had spare aircraft available which they currently don't have as all of the LCY aircraft are busy during the summer they would also be an excellent fit at SOU along with Easyjet.

The management have to seriously look at alternative airlines to take up the slack at SOU otherwise this downward trend will only continue and at a time when the airport had finally reached the two million passenger mark for the first time.

With regards to Stobart, I'm also curious of what could have happened if they had bought SOU rather than SEN and the similar investment that could have been made at the airport.
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 07:21
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Originally Posted by canberra97
Or TUI even as the brand name of Thomson is history!

Just in case you also missed it but Volotea also fly to Palma twice weekly on behalf of TUI, no scheduled flights from Volotea ex SOU for summer 2018 just the three charter flights for TUI to Ibiza and Palma.
still got BY flight numbers - hanging in there!

yes thanks i knew Volo had canned the 2018 scheduled flights from SOU and SEN
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TUI and Thomson before that hasn't used the BY flight code for several years they use TOM.

TUI don't add their flight code to outsourced flying as both Flybe and Volotea use their own codes regardless of the fact that they are operating on behalf of TUI.

It's Lolo Flights not Volo!

LoLo flights are using a EMB195 from Flybe for SOU to Skiathos from July to September 2018, it's a charter flight not a 'scheduled' flight, Kalamata was to be added from late September up until the end of the summer season but the flights never went on sale.

There hasn't been anything confirmed relating to the cancellation of the LoLo flight program for summer 2019, I should imagine that their planned frequencies have yet to have aircraft allocated but I have to admit it does sound a bit over ambitious, we're just have to wait and see!
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Old 24th Mar 2018, 16:02
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I think Volo is being used as a shortened form of Volotea, not a reference to Lolo
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