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[SWBKCB]

Why's this on the Newcastle thread?

[Chesty Morgan]

Originally Posted by tigertanaka

but Jet2 is clearly an outlier in terms of fleet age when it comes to European LCCs.

Indeed but I’m wondering why it’s a “saga”.

[Chesty Morgan]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Why's this on the Newcastle thread?

Don’t Jet2 have a base at Newcastle?

[SWBKCB]

Jet2 do, but none of the others except EZY. Wizz, Wow, Vueling and Norwegian don't operate from NCL and it's arguable whether Jet 2 compete with them significantly from anywhere, so why the comparison?

[Chesty Morgan]

It’s a comparison of average fleet age of LCCs in Europe brought on by two delayed Jet2 flights to and from NEWCASTLE. At a guess.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by tigertanaka

Average fleet age of European LCCs:

Easyjet: 7.4 years
Ryanair: 6.9 years
Wizz Air 4.6 years
Wow: 3.2 years
Vueling: 7.4 years
Eurowings: 9.6 years
Norwegian 3.8 years
Jet2: 14.5 years

I am fully aware that age does not necessarily reflect safety/reliability when it comes to aircraft, but Jet2 is clearly an outlier in terms of fleet age when it comes to European LCCs. Maybe Jet2 know better than other airlines?

Just for balance, the A319/320/321 or B737 fleets for major European FSCs are BA: 13.4 years, KLM 11.9 years, Air France: 14.2 years, Iberia 12.4 years, SAS 7.7 years, Lufthansa 12.8 years, Alitalia 13.1 years.

And out of that list Jet2 is the airline that has the most seasonal variation in flights. Jet2 operate more like TCX and TUI than Easyjet or Ryanair who are much more point 2 point city route focused.

[DanAir89]

Originally Posted by PDXCWL45

And out of that list Jet2 is the airline that has the most seasonal variation in flights. Jet2 operate more like TCX and TUI than Easyjet or Ryanair who are much more point 2 point city route focused.

and the original question which no one has attempted to answer is did technical problems with two “aging”/v old 737’s cause two long delays???!

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by DanAir89

and the original question which no one has attempted to answer is did technical problems with two “aging”/v old 737’s cause two long delays???!

Yes, they were technical problems. At least someone can post something sensible! I was merely making a point that Jet2 seem to have been plagued with some technical issues on particular aircrafts that are getting quite long in the tooth (G-CELO for example yesterday, 30 years old, and G-CELY at KRK a few weeks ago too which is a 31 year old airframe).

In regards to the saga reply, from another member, it does seem to be an ongoing saga and a former colleague, who now works for LS, has advised there has been numerous discussions internally regarding this.

Obviously, NCL has some of the new 737s during winter, but during the summer months we seem to be lumbered with the older airframes which do tend to have suffered quite a few issues.

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan

Indeed but I’m wondering why it’s a “saga”.

“a long, involved story, account, or series of incidents.”

Just in case you don’t have a dictionary to hand.

[LiamNCL]

733's have served their purpose but its very outdated and no matter how much polish you take to them in winter they arent cut out for constant back and forward flights.

[Falcon900LX]

Originally Posted by LiamNCL

733's have served their purpose but its very outdated and no matter how much polish you take to them in winter they arent cut out for constant back and forward flights.

As an airline they know this, however 16 aircraft some perfectly useable actually and are only 20 ish can't be replaced overnight, all 16 in service operating 4 sectors a day is nearly 9500 people they'd have to find other aircraft for. The replacement 800's are coming just in drips and drabs.

[LiamNCL]

Originally Posted by Falcon900LX

As an airline they know this, however 16 aircraft some perfectly useable actually and are only 20 ish can't be replaced overnight, all 16 in service operating 4 sectors a day is nearly 9500 people they'd have to find other aircraft for. The replacement 800's are coming just in drips and drabs.

i accept that is true ofcourse hopefully some extra 2nd hand 738s can speed the retirment of some of the oldest ones

[GLAEDI]

Originally Posted by LiamNCL

i accept that is true ofcourse hopefully some extra 2nd hand 738s can speed the retirment of some of the oldest ones

The balance on thin routes are 733s with no leasing or debt payments but higher fuel burn & maintenance vs new or second hand 738s with leasing or debt payments might not make routes viable. If it was easy to get fleet balancing correct airlines wouldn’t loose millions and go bankrupt.

[Chesty Morgan]

Originally Posted by JonnyH

“a long, involved story, account, or series of incidents.”

Just in case you don’t have a dictionary to hand.

Gee, thanks. However, I do know the definition and you still haven’t told us all why it is a saga.

[ash666]

Looks like the KLM plane about to take off is 17 years old.
Just saying.

[sixchannel]

Originally Posted by GLAEDI

If it was easy to get fleet balancing correct airlines wouldn’t loose millions and go bankrupt.

RIP Monarch

[No-More-Bullschit]

Noticed this morning the PTT fleet impounded by snow ploughs, someone not been paying their bills?

[GrahamK]

PTT fleet?
Edit: ah I see. Has the same happened at LBA and MME?

[No-More-Bullschit]

Not sure about the other bases

[Beatts]

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