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also from the council leader "the government will make the final decision on the airport expansion". Seeing as this is the same government that thinks it will be OK to flatten large suburban areas, thus displacing hundreds of residents from their homes, by approving a third runway at Heathrow, then I don't hold out much hope for one country park.
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Looking at the photo in the previous post is a joy to my eyes. The proposed replacement park is a treeless farmers field that is not even in Bedfordshire but in Hertfordshire. For those that want unlimited expansion at Luton there is always a price to pay. Yes I moved close to an airport that has been around for 80 years but I also moved close to major park that has a County Wildlife Site within it that could now disappear under terminal 2. There was no consultation over the ownership of the park, it was just handed over in a secret deal a few years ago and then kept quiet.
I might be LTNman and pro airport but I can see the bigger picture and it stinks. Sorry the price is too high so I will be objecting to any expansion outside the airports own boundary.
Also the cost will be over £1 billion, with LLAL borrowing the money from the council who will borrow the money from someone else. It could all go wrong but then greed often does.
I might be LTNman and pro airport but I can see the bigger picture and it stinks. Sorry the price is too high so I will be objecting to any expansion outside the airports own boundary.
Also the cost will be over £1 billion, with LLAL borrowing the money from the council who will borrow the money from someone else. It could all go wrong but then greed often does.
I 100% agree LTNman (and I actually work at the airport!)
Expanding the airport onto Wigmore Park will be a disaster on so many levels! The Council need to grow up and accept that they are now well out of their depth trying to keep control of the reigns of an airport that needs suitable experienced professionals at the helm at every level (not unqualified amateur Councillors!)
Expanding the airport onto Wigmore Park will be a disaster on so many levels! The Council need to grow up and accept that they are now well out of their depth trying to keep control of the reigns of an airport that needs suitable experienced professionals at the helm at every level (not unqualified amateur Councillors!)
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Wasn't Wigmore Park, the natural beauty everybody is getting so heated about, a council waste tip a few years ago. Grass and trees were planted to cover landfill. It's not exactly an area of outstanding natural beauty. More likely some grumpy dog owners upset they'll have to find somewhere else for their prize pooch to cr@p.
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Looking at the photo in the previous post is a joy to my eyes. The proposed replacement park is a treeless farmers field that is not even in Bedfordshire but in Hertfordshire. For those that want unlimited expansion at Luton there is always a price to pay. Yes I moved close to an airport that has been around for 80 years but I also moved close to major park that has a County Wildlife Site within it that could now disappear under terminal 2. There was no consultation over the ownership of the park, it was just handed over in a secret deal a few years ago and then kept quiet.
I might be LTNman and pro airport but I can see the bigger picture and it stinks. Sorry the price is too high so I will be objecting to any expansion outside the airports own boundary.
Also the cost will be over £1 billion, with LLAL borrowing the money from the council who will borrow the money from someone else. It could all go wrong but then greed often does.
I might be LTNman and pro airport but I can see the bigger picture and it stinks. Sorry the price is too high so I will be objecting to any expansion outside the airports own boundary.
Also the cost will be over £1 billion, with LLAL borrowing the money from the council who will borrow the money from someone else. It could all go wrong but then greed often does.
Firstly I remember viewing the new (but then not completed) development at Wigmore back in the late 1980's. The so called park he talks about is in fact a former dump! The land is vast and if you walk amongst another 5 or 6 dog walkers (you are more than likely to see at any given time) you are more likely to experience feral youths not insured and with no helmets riding up and down on delapidated motor bikes over the VASTLY underused terrain! Anyone who has lived in Luton for many years will know that Wigmore and its associated so called wildlife park was in fact just farmers fields!
Today I attended the Airport Consultation and one factor that sticks out from the very knowlegable persons present was that the development will be considerate to the environment. The airport development will have my undisputed agreement for growth!
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1. Many of our best wildlife reserves have been created from old dumps, quarries etc, precisely because they are not stable enough to build on.
2. Airports may be necessary, but they are by definition environmentally unfriendly. An environmentally considerate expansion? That's what's known as greenwash.
2. Airports may be necessary, but they are by definition environmentally unfriendly. An environmentally considerate expansion? That's what's known as greenwash.
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Wigmore Park
The council have got very greedy this time. How an earth can wigmore take 18 million more people through the road system.
Not only that but the park is being ripped apart while the local residents now don’t have any park. Any regulars to the park will know that they is a bench overlooking the runway and about 3 metres behind is a massive digger. The days of going to the bench and over looking the airport look like they will be over.
Not only that but the park is being ripped apart while the local residents now don’t have any park. Any regulars to the park will know that they is a bench overlooking the runway and about 3 metres behind is a massive digger. The days of going to the bench and over looking the airport look like they will be over.
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I may be in the minority but having seen the options I actually think Opt 2 is the better.
Yes it means obtaining land from Mid Beds( not easy) using green belt land ( def not easy) and heritage problems (someries)
But they could build it without all the problems associated with Wigmore , the tip , etc
Build a new road link to the south and a second line on the DART. most of this could be built without impeding on the current traffic flow into the Airport.Similar to how STN got their terminal built.
Ok I know it's not going to happen but financially it is viable in comparison to how much it will cost for the North Option.
Regarding the airport operation of having a terminal north and south of the runway, maybe somebody from ATC would like to comment on the pitfalls, if any.
The way it is at LTN at the moment give Easy one terminal and Wizz/ Blueair/Ryanair the other one. Sorted!!
Yes it means obtaining land from Mid Beds( not easy) using green belt land ( def not easy) and heritage problems (someries)
But they could build it without all the problems associated with Wigmore , the tip , etc
Build a new road link to the south and a second line on the DART. most of this could be built without impeding on the current traffic flow into the Airport.Similar to how STN got their terminal built.
Ok I know it's not going to happen but financially it is viable in comparison to how much it will cost for the North Option.
Regarding the airport operation of having a terminal north and south of the runway, maybe somebody from ATC would like to comment on the pitfalls, if any.
The way it is at LTN at the moment give Easy one terminal and Wizz/ Blueair/Ryanair the other one. Sorted!!
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Wasn't Wigmore Park, the natural beauty everybody is getting so heated about, a council waste tip a few years ago. Grass and trees were planted to cover landfill. It's not exactly an area of outstanding natural beauty. More likely some grumpy dog owners upset they'll have to find somewhere else for their prize pooch to cr@p.
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Today I attended the Airport Consultation and one factor that sticks out from the very knowlegable persons present was that the development will be considerate to the environment. The airport development will have my undisputed agreement for growth!
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Actually I agree with you. That would give Luton a truly second independent airport sharing the same runway. Luton is a point to point airport so no terminal swapping would be required for connecting passengers. Not that this option would save the park as plan B is the original proposal for a business park so the park would still go.
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I see plenty of weeds, nettles and overgrown horse chestnut trees. And a women in an orange top taking her prize pooch for a cr@p. I was right 😂😂😂.
Perhaps we could encourage overseas visitors to fly in and visit the park and it's outstanding natural beauty. Oh wait, more passengers, we'd need a new tinminal. 😕
Perhaps we could encourage overseas visitors to fly in and visit the park and it's outstanding natural beauty. Oh wait, more passengers, we'd need a new tinminal. 😕
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A weed is a plant growing in the wrong place. This the natural, ie, right place, so they're not weeds. Please don't confuse wildlife value with beauty.
A wonderfully maintained garden may be beautiful to many people. It has much less wildlife value than what we see in the picture, which is beautiful in its own way.
A wonderfully maintained garden may be beautiful to many people. It has much less wildlife value than what we see in the picture, which is beautiful in its own way.
I think you should get out more as you obviously have no understanding of what 'wildlife' actually is. Go to Wigmore Park and you will find out and perhaps actually learn something about the wild environment. By the way I'm not against the expansion of LTN as I think it's the best located airport for LON but to do so by destroying this sort of asset is not the way to go.
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They took all the trees
And put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half to seem 'em
Don't it always seem to go,
That you don't know what you've got
Til its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a airport
And put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half to seem 'em
Don't it always seem to go,
That you don't know what you've got
Til its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a airport
Today I attended the Airport Consultation and one factor that sticks out from the very knowlegable persons present was that the development will be considerate to the environment. The airport development will have my undisputed agreement for growth!
Lee Baker Street.....If you totally believe the words of the "very knowledgeable" persons then you are very naive indeed! Wigmore Park (whatever it's background and current perceived use) is not suitable for airport expansion (its all about location, location, location!) The only consideration the airport management have given to local residents when it comes to environmental factors in the past is building a few acoustic fences!!
Lee Baker Street.....If you totally believe the words of the "very knowledgeable" persons then you are very naive indeed! Wigmore Park (whatever it's background and current perceived use) is not suitable for airport expansion (its all about location, location, location!) The only consideration the airport management have given to local residents when it comes to environmental factors in the past is building a few acoustic fences!!
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Lets face it, all here are airport supporters, we either work in aviation, have worked in aviation, use the airport as a passenger or are just passionate about airports, aircraft and flying in general. I think I tick most of those boxes but I can also see the dangers and am not blinded by the wish to destroy places that were created to act as public spaces and parks.
This appeared on a facebook page about our park
From the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee on the value and threats to local parks.
"Parks and green spaces are treasured assets and are often central to the lives of their communities. They provide opportunities for leisure, relaxation and exercise, but are also fundamental to community cohesion, physical and mental health and wellbeing, biodiversity, climate change mitigation, and local economic growth"
"Parks and green spaces matter. They make a vital contribution to many of our most important strategic objectives, such as climate change mitigation, public health and community integration. However parks are at a tipping point, and failure to match their value and the contribution they make with the resources they need to be sustained could have severe consequences. We believe that our recommendations will help to ensure that parks receive the priority they deserve, and to prevent a period of decline"
This appeared on a facebook page about our park
From the House of Commons Communities and Local Government Committee on the value and threats to local parks.
"Parks and green spaces are treasured assets and are often central to the lives of their communities. They provide opportunities for leisure, relaxation and exercise, but are also fundamental to community cohesion, physical and mental health and wellbeing, biodiversity, climate change mitigation, and local economic growth"
"Parks and green spaces matter. They make a vital contribution to many of our most important strategic objectives, such as climate change mitigation, public health and community integration. However parks are at a tipping point, and failure to match their value and the contribution they make with the resources they need to be sustained could have severe consequences. We believe that our recommendations will help to ensure that parks receive the priority they deserve, and to prevent a period of decline"