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Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:01
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@DC3 Dave: Best would be you ask this as an open question on Powdair's face book site....
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:28
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This all reminds me of that airline that was supposed to fly from Southend to ŅPaderborn? and ŅCroatia?.

It's alarming that in a supposedly regulated industry this can slip through the cracks. I'd suggest there needs to be legislation to the effect that only an airline or a bonded tour operator can sell aeroplane tickets.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:45
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01475 You are right to highlight the comparison with Sea Air. Powdair do seem to be bona fide if you believe it's acceptable to sell tickets on an airline that will only exist if enough tickets are sold to attract investment to pay for the means to carry out your promise.

It can work in an industry where it is normal to part with the full contract price well in advance of said contract being delivered. Will it work? We'll soon find out.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 18:58
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It's strange. In other industries taking money off people on the basis of a promise that is reckless in that whether or not you can keep it is entirely out of your control could be seen as fraud, but in the airline industry it's not at all.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 07:32
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Crikey, some really sad people here that are desperate to see airlines fail it seems, I distinctly remember seeing that powdair had bought an equity stake in an existing EASA operator! therefore by default they will now be a group company of that EASA operator especially in regards to complying with EC 1008/2008.

And further to the comment about the Valais travel trade - if you lived here like we do then you would know that the Swiss will do nothing till the aircraft turns up, then they will be all over it and claim it was their idea... Thats how it works here....

Do you not also think that all of the high profile ski resorts that have partnered with them would also not do a bit of DD?

Its seems a case of if it doesn't conform to what you think you know about business and airlines thens its a guaranteed failure..... jeeeez! Who needs enemies with friends like you lot on this forum desperately trying to sabotage them even getting over the start line...!

Having just got back from being down route for nearly a month, I'll go for some coffee's and get the scoop on the latest
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 09:22
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Speaking for myself, I have absolutely no wish to see Powdair fail, and will raise a glass in their direction if mid December they succeed in bringing a new airline into being. Having read through the posts again I find no evidence of sabotage or conspiracy, but a lot of doubt and many unanswered reasonable questions.

But, who knows Jetscream 32, your faith may yet be rewarded and I'm sure that will be acknowledged here.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 14:33
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In a somewhat related development it would seem that SkyWork had their license revoked by the OFAC
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 14:48
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The AOC has not yet been revoked, as the article clearly states, but it has been limited to run only until the end of this month unless SkyWork can demonstrate to the OFAC that they can obtain finance to continue to operate their winter flying programme.

It certainly looks pretty grim for their continued existence.
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 14:52
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Your are quite correct - they are still flying. But we know how these stories generally end...
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Jetscream 32 View Post
Crikey, some really sad people here that are desperate to see airlines fail it seems,
Nobody has said haha I hope it fails, that I've seen.

Someone people on this forum seem to have an odd idea of both cause and effect, and the power posts here may hold. As much as we may either want something to succeed or not care, posting reasoned observations doesn't affect that. There is therefore no moral obligation to talk things up, whether it's a new route or your favourite airport.

Powdair may well succeed, but in doing so it would surprise many of us as it has had a bizarre gestation that has more in common with things that tend to fail than it has in common with anything that has ever succeeded.

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Old 16th Oct 2017, 17:37
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Considering how other threads go in this area of the forum I think the Sion thread and comment about Powdair specifically is pretty well balanced. I donít think anyone wants to see it fail but we all have differing views and in some cases insight. I firmly believe a lot of things arenít right about Powdair, but I nevertheless wish them well. Their directors, investors, staff and partners all need to put food on the table.

Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
In a somewhat related development it would seem that SkyWork had their license revoked by the OFAC
Itís interesting, FOCA/OFAC had their eyes on skywork for a long while. In context with this thread, one has to wonder what attention Powdair will get. FOCA didnít issue the AOC so they cannot withdraw it however, Iím sure theyíll keep a watchful eye of developments. This is just rumour, but apparently SIR-ZRH was dropped due to route licencing issues raised by FOCA (domestic flights arenít covered by EU regs).

Regarding Powdair buying a stake in Backbone Aviation, read into that what you will. Is it a masterstroke or is it PR and trust building? In 2016 Backbone had assets of 5.6m and 5m of debt with revenue outlook worsening significantly a few days after those numbers came out, what size stake they took, and for what price will determine eventual success.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 08:52
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Now HAM disappeared from the list of served airports as well in the booking tool of Powdair. I assume due to "huge demand" as always pointed out by Powdair?

The route to LCY is not showing the Darwin code anymore, it changed to BOB which is Backbone. Darwin stepped out and discontinued the discussions with Powdair.

Backbone has, as far as I know, not a single aircraft capable for LCY. This means another ACMI partner must be found. And who holds the LCY slots in the meanwhile....?

Powdair is a pipe dream....
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 09:58
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TO53... I think you will find that HAM & EDI disappeared long ago....

How are you so confident of your statements? as they are odds with information from here in SIR....

Maybe you know one of the staff? And surely at a basic aviation knowledge base if BB hold the slots for LCY then clearly they have the means to fulfil that on their code either directly or through ACMI....Duh!!
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 10:16
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Does anybody know what aircraft type is going to be operating the twice daily Sion to London City route yet and who is providing the appropriate type, as I don't think that LCY can take a CRJ200.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 14:53
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You're right it can't take a CRJ - but I bet hard cash that it will be one of the types listed as approved into LCY
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 15:43
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I believe none of the CRJ series of aircraft are approved to operate at LCY. Only the following aircraft are approved to operate at LCY:

Airbus A318
BAE 146/Avro RJ Family
BAe Jetstream 41
ATR42
ATR72
Bombardier CS100
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Do328
Dornier Do328JET
Embraer 135
Embraer E170
Embraer E190
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340B
Saab 2000
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 15:55
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Time will tell then.
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 16:26
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If I was betting hard cash on what will operate I'd include a meaningful disclaimer about *if* it operates...
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 08:40
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It's not only the question regarding the type. The a/c must be equiped to fly steep approaches. And the crew must be trained as well.

Will Powdair now ask the next possible provider? Time is runing...
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 19:04
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Adria Switzerland have told them where to go EX-YU Aviation News
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