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Old 30th Jul 2017, 06:58
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It's as far as I understand not only the aerodynamic capability (you must be able to keep the speed in APPR CONFIG) the a/c needs one Little button to supress parts of EGPWS.


And interesetingly, HAM disappeard from the booking tool of Powdair. Soon we will hear "due to the huge demand for other destinations, we have to concentrate our ressources".
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Old 30th Jul 2017, 07:40
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Well I can assure you from experience that new routes are not a guarantee when announced - if they cull routes now, then it's a better move than going bust trying to offer lower priced seats for a perceived market that is not there.. better to concentrate on routes that do work than those that don't - take Wow Air dropping the cork winter route yesterday after only operating since May - there is no guarantee of passengers when a route is announced, all you can do is hope and pray that the data you've been given is somewhere near what's going to happen - however if you have a magic wand / crystal ball then offer them advice directly - I'm sure you'd make a lot of money with airline start ups with guaranteed route knowledge demand
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 16:22
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Maybe the A380 or possibly a C208B??

Rumours here are 4 a/c for the winter program flying a mix of regionals and city pairs.... 2 x CRJ 200 and 2 x something else
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Did you mean A380? Is All Fools' Day celebrated on different days throughout Europe?
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 06:08
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What do you mean with "a mix of regionals and city pairs"? Will the destination portfolio even grow? 4 aircraft for 7 the destinations left....
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Old 6th Aug 2017, 07:17
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It seems their plan for SIR is quite canny, but it's only rumour as I'm not sure anyone has seen anything else other than the backbone agreement to date, but there was a flurry of activity last week and more planned after 21st this month with workshops again in the terminal here - and their actual main launch event is in September so I'd assume they are preparing for that and might announce other stuff too - but pure speculation at this point !
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 09:06
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"...anyone has seen anything else other than the backbone Agreement..."


Did you see this Agreement? I guess if any agreement/contract really existst it will be internal....
The last information concerning 4 a/c flying and a second carrier shall be involved is even more doubtful. Until today no sign on the website who will be the operating carrier.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 16:12
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Maybe backbone will be supplying the 2 crj200 as well as the Other 2 when we fInd out in due course what the aircraft will be. Can you imagine how much space will be needed in the holds for 50 lots of skiis as well as checked baggage and cabin baggage. Hopefully the crj200 will have plenty space.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 06:03
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As HAM is not on the booking tool anymore, ANR is the last remaining destination on the continent. However, I guess a CRJ200 will not be able to make it fully loaded with this short runway? And is EDI too far away for the CRJ200?
One argument for the CRJ200 will count: The financial costs are very low. But this cannot help in the project as long as the a/c is not able to fly all routes with a full Pax load.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 06:39
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I know the airport director and she has confirmed it.... Maybe they are quite busy and by the sounds of things from people that do look after fare filing etc the back end of all res systems are a work of art... still im sure they will get there... Having run the perf for the CRJ 200 based on the sector length to here from ANR then it will be tight but within limits.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 18:25
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Powdair have just announced year round flights from Sion to Zurich, London City, and Antwerp. 3 per day to ZRH and up to 2 per day to LCY. These are in addition to the winter ski programme, which has been changed slightly by the dropping of Edinburgh and Hamburg and increase in frequencies on other routes apparently due to demand.

In addition to the CRJ200 from Backbone they will have two Saab 2000s from Adria Switzerland. I wonder what Skywork will make of this and the potential impact on their Bern-LCY route.

This link is via the Sion airport website
:Sion: Powdair va étendre son offre et proposer des vols

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Old 30th Aug 2017, 19:16
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54'750 seats (3 times daily x 50 seats x 365 days) SIR-ZRH-SIR per year. Who on earth belives this seats will be sold to a reasonable SLF with the necessary yield?
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*raises eyebrows*.

With SkyWork as well, Sion is where it's at. Apparently.

Will (or would) 11 flights in a day be a new record for Sion?
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 22:21
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If you add in the rest of the schedule for the winter its 18 a day, poor little terminal wont know whats hit it and no doubt we will start to see a few jacked off corporates, who are used to free reign here with no delays at all - we are all used to to rock up, door up, spool up, and bugger off sharpish....however GVA is at capacity and the region here has a lot of potential for sure!
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 22:37
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3 per day to ZRH
That's just madness.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 06:48
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My initial thoughts too...

I sincerely hope they prove me wrong but I would be really, really surprised.
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 07:41
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Why madness?
Train from GVA to Zurich 3 hrs
Train from Lausanne to Zurich 2:15

Swiss Fly a mix of CS100 and A321 to ZRH 9 times a day from GVA, and that will be a mix of long haul connection and city traffic.

They don't do it for the fun of it and I'm pretty sure that the local market of GVA is not the main driver of the capacity available.

Taking 150 of the 1500 available seats by air plus the capacity of 16 trains a day between the two cities is telling that the route is very very busy, add in that the Valais has a population of greater than 350,000 - ie on a par with Bristol and bigger than Cardiff, then add in the roads getting into GVA in the morning - think M25, and it may not be such a mad idea? I know from experience I'd rather turn right out of Lausanne or Montreux in the morning to take a flight than turn left and head to GVA.

However time will tell
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 10:05
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Out of curiosity I took a look at the SkyWork website to see the latest state of play there.

The dropdown booking menu still offers the same Sion flights in parallel with the Powdair services. I did not attempt a trial booking. But there is still no other mention or publicity of Sion flights on the website. The Information page which summarises the SkyWork winter program and shows a route map makes no mention of Sion services.

But follow another menu on that page to interrogate Sion routes and it produces the message : Für diesen Zeitraum bieten wir für die gewählte Destination keine Flüge an.

So nothing happening there then. Was it all a bluff, or were they positioning themselves to take over if Powdair failed to deliver ?
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 10:19
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I understand the IFR approach is complex and the minima are high, can you give an idea of how many days a year that the Sion would be shut for periods longer than a morning and what the likely div would be? thanks
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Old 31st Aug 2017, 10:32
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Hey 2P,

We lose about 10 days per winter season, and they are always well known in advance, and when I spoke to them it was either Bern or Basle as the Div with Buchard doing the transfers - its certainly not a weekly thing, but nearly always between the 6-8th Feb one of those has been shut for the last 4 years, then off days or afternoons depending on snow / fog etc..... but like the rest of the world.. who knows anymore - sometimes we have all 4 seasons in a single day!
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