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Old 24th Nov 2017, 14:21
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Perhaps they are searching hard to find an operator with a suitable aircraft to operate the LCY-SIR-LCY twice a day route starting on the 11th December.

Am sure they are working hard to achieve this.

Fingers crossed
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 14:52
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Maybe they are back in talks with Skywork? I personally doubt it but there's not a huge stock of 50 seaters with crew capable of operating into LCY.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 16:11
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I hear from a reliable source that the Swiss / German media and in particular travel / airline industry publications are really starting to pi$$ off the very small team that is setting this up, they have far too much on their plate to be doing than answering journos all the time that have no interest in doing much apart from seeding doubt on what is arguably a very very difficult task.

We are all still fingers crossed here and there is nothing to say its not happening thats for sure! We are due some more snow over the weekend and hopefully back end of next week also - so as long we keep the temperature down then it could all work quite nicely.... fingers crossed
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 16:35
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Surely for a new start up any and all media attention is gold-dust and to be celebrated, not resisted. This all looks more hopeful than certain to me and I certainly wouldn't be risking my cash given all the alternatives.
It is not easy doing a set-up but I am surprised it is all so last minute in this case.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 17:33
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hear from a reliable source that the Swiss / German media and in particular travel / airline industry publications are really starting to pi$$ off the very small team that is setting this up, they have far too much on their plate to be doing than answering journos all the time that have no interest in doing much apart from seeding doubt on what is arguably a very very difficult task.
If they are thinking that, they should be thinking it very, very quietly and not letting it anywhere the public domain. Too busy to deal with the public, where's their customer focus?? How about a bitt of openness, transparency (honesty?) for those handing over their hard earned?
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 17:53
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Powdair’s team have time to push out press releases, Facebook posts and Instagram’s and do launch events yet they don’t have time to answer awkward questions from Journo’s? Hmmm.

It’s true JS32, The local/neighbouring industry press are all over Powdair. Switzerland being such a small country with a handful of airports and operators mean anything like this generates interest. FWIW these same publications are all over Swiss, Darwin, Skywork etc too.

Powdair is being discussed on the upper floors of all operators here.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 19:13
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Yep its definitely small alright, but this seems to be the only industry where you appear to have to lay all of your cards on the table for scrutiny that you would never have to do for any other type of company.. and as far I can tell its a private company, also there would have to be some level of confidentially especially in a super competitive marketplace and with SIR having no slot restrictions it would be wise to keep a few cards close to your chest....

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Social and marketing posts in our organisation are a completely different department to the ops / commercial side - actually in different countries
so they would never have a clue to what we were up to or what the fleet plans were until they were told according to the corp policies etc.... just sayin!
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 19:36
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J32: Your organisation is bigger and ermmm actually operating

You must think it curious though no? Either they have an operator for LCY and can say so, or they don't.... done commercial deals don't need to be kept confidential.
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Old 24th Nov 2017, 20:40
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Originally Posted by Jetscream 32
I hear from a reliable source that the Swiss / German media and in particular travel / airline industry publications are really starting to pi$$ off the very small team that is setting this up, they have far too much on their plate to be doing than answering journos all the time that have no interest in doing much apart from seeding doubt on what is arguably a very very difficult task.
It's good to know there are still journalists out there that ask questions that need answering instead of relying on press releases and social media feeds.

Before anyone suggests I'm in the 'let's do them down' club, I'm not. But I do believe you shouldn't take peoples' money without knowing you can complete your end of the deal, whether your name is Powdair or Ryanair.

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Old 25th Nov 2017, 00:09
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I would jolly well hope journos were asking searching questions of an outfit that hasn't announced who is operating flights in two weeks time.

That this annoys them is... worrying.
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 08:24
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saying the flight plan has been reduced recently once more with another cut of destinations and LCY is not double daily anymore, only a few flight per week are left. But double daily LCY is still on sale.
And is this the same Mr. Davis like the Powdair-Mr. Davis? Maybe an old story. Exclusive: Anti-pirate security staff all at sea after major firm suddenly goes bust | The Independent
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 08:49
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TO53,

I think people will read that link in many ways - most I assume will be quick to wage in with adverse comments, but its clear if you can run one of the biggest security companies in the world for a period of time and set up other companies then actually its unlikely to be a scam and that actually its clear the guy can actually create large companies, just because he's had some bad luck, it doesn't mean its always going to be that way and the media only ever report the failures and bad - never the good do they!!

And no one is ever going to know the real story behind the reason for the collapse as the media are never that understanding - just sayin!

And who told you that the schedule has changed? I'm here in SIR and its not reached the south side of the field yet if its true?
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 09:33
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JS32, I guess that many people at SIR will not see the reality, you included, and those a bit further away have a more critical point of view.

The same goes for the flow of information. By sitting at SIR will not automatically mean you have all the information. The following points are to consider:


Recently at the "Launch Party" in London Powdair was not willing to give information about the possible Operator for LCY. According Travelnews it was only said "an airline with S20 and the capability to fly LCY will do it. Darwin told themself they are out and this leaves little room? Eastern (still operating S20?), SkyWork?


Ask Backbone how many airplanes are planned for SIR, latest News are calling for only one. This means not all the planned and as well SOLD routes can be flown!
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Old 25th Nov 2017, 09:43
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Cant argue with what your saying - but neither of us have all the information do we

Either way EC261's will start to come in to play next week - so anything they are doing im sure will be fairly quick out next week - then we will all see! - off skiing now - laters
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 05:35
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Only rumours? Only four destinations and even not half the flights are left but no information from Powdair and everything is still on the web for sale? Known by the Airport?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 06:07
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Powdair routes

TakeOff53 - could you tell us where or how you found out that only 4 destinations remain ?
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 09:25
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What are the 4 destinations.............
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 12:46
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Originally Posted by flight_mode
...there's not a huge stock of 50 seaters with crew capable of operating into LCY.
well, a few more became available in recent months vlm-airlines-received-belgian-aocs-for-both-airbus-a320-and-fokker-50-operations.
Some clever planning & timetable adjustments might even find a way to combine ANR-SIR-LCY flights. Alternatively, with some clever cooperation, VLM's ZRH flight could be combined with ANR-SIR (via ZRH). Far from ideal for the SIR travelers, but I doubt that even both destinations combined will fill up 50 seats... Regarding the ANR skiing travellers, TUI starting winter flights ANR-INN, will certainly take away a large part of the air travelling skiers market share, which otherwise might have chosen SIR as destination...
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 14:58
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That will never happen..... 2:20 flight time and only 35 pax from either LCY or ANR - non starter plus they would only be able to do the VMC departure
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Old 26th Nov 2017, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Jetscream 32
TO53,

its clear if you can run one of the biggest security companies in the world for a period of time and set up other companies then actually its unlikely to be a scam and that actually its clear the guy can actually create large companies, just because he's had some bad luck
Nobody is suggesting they need to provide information to show it's not a scam, but they do urgently need to provide basic information to show they are competent to run a travel service. I'm sure they can obtain a plane, but it would be good to know that they have!!!

I think you specified part of the issue in your defence. I for example have a lot of experience of counting numbers and making sets of accounts, and particular experience of things to do with fraud. I would therefore expect people to ask me detailed searching questions about my knowledge, skills and experience if I applied for an Ops job or set up an airline...

(If you have something to do with the company then of course I wish you the highest levels of luck to match what I am sure are your exceptionally high levels of good faith.)
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