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Looking at previous postings lexoncd made exactly the same point he has now raised back in 2013, once senses therefore a hidden agenda.
I also note he mentioned working at airtours, how were their projections?
I also note he mentioned working at airtours, how were their projections?
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Ryanair confirms 7 based aircraft in 2015 and also aiming for 2.7 million passengers.
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The article is riddled with inaccuracies.
Ryanair will add 2 aircraft to its base to make 7. Erm, it was 7 last year, so 7+2 is 9, not 7. In other words, no new aircraft based.
They will add new routes in 2015 to Zadar, Bologna, Lisbon and Eindhoven. Erm, they were added in 2014. Plus nothing on Chania which actually is a new route in 2015.
Very poor article.
Ryanair will add 2 aircraft to its base to make 7. Erm, it was 7 last year, so 7+2 is 9, not 7. In other words, no new aircraft based.
They will add new routes in 2015 to Zadar, Bologna, Lisbon and Eindhoven. Erm, they were added in 2014. Plus nothing on Chania which actually is a new route in 2015.
Very poor article.
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The article is riddled with inaccuracies.
Ryanair will add 2 aircraft to its base to make 7. Erm, it was 7 last year, so 7+2 is 9, not 7. In other words, no new aircraft based.
They will add new routes in 2015 to Zadar, Bologna, Lisbon and Eindhoven. Erm, they were added in 2014. Plus nothing on Chania which actually is a new route in 2015.
Very poor article.
Ryanair will add 2 aircraft to its base to make 7. Erm, it was 7 last year, so 7+2 is 9, not 7. In other words, no new aircraft based.
They will add new routes in 2015 to Zadar, Bologna, Lisbon and Eindhoven. Erm, they were added in 2014. Plus nothing on Chania which actually is a new route in 2015.
Very poor article.
There are so few journos nowadays that cut and paste is the easy option and nobody thinks to question things.
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The only real positive, if true, is that RYR hope to carry 2.7m pax in 2015 which, the article claims, would be a 10% increase. Unless based a/c are doing extra sectors on some days for increased frequencies, that would only come about by more flights with non-based a/c. Is there evidence of this 10% increase in the number of weekly departures?
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Some rather patronising quotes from the MD of Heathrow in the City AM news this morning.
'long haul can only work from hubs such as heathrow' and airlines rarely put long haul routes into the regions.
Ill let bagso have his fun with that one.....
'long haul can only work from hubs such as heathrow' and airlines rarely put long haul routes into the regions.
Ill let bagso have his fun with that one.....
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Agree this is patronising but he does have a point. While not wanting to deny MAG's recent successes in the long haul market, MAN does only handle just over 3 million scheduled long haul pax. LHR has around 37 million.
There are lots of reasons for this, but as Holland-Kaye has noted, the gravitational attraction of a hub is a key factor.
Also he didn't actually refer to regional airports (other than to note that LGW's long haul offer is much the same as MAN's). His main target was Gatwick, noting that "when airlines cannot get into Heathrow, they rarely opt for other point-to-point UK airports. Instead, they go to hubs in France, Germany or the Netherlands..."
There are lots of reasons for this, but as Holland-Kaye has noted, the gravitational attraction of a hub is a key factor.
Also he didn't actually refer to regional airports (other than to note that LGW's long haul offer is much the same as MAN's). His main target was Gatwick, noting that "when airlines cannot get into Heathrow, they rarely opt for other point-to-point UK airports. Instead, they go to hubs in France, Germany or the Netherlands..."
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'long haul can only work from hubs such as heathrow' and airlines rarely put long haul routes into the regions.
http://www.cityam.com/207147/only-he...al-race-growth
It underlines that airlines can only make flights to many long haul destinations viable from a hub airport like Heathrow.
Airports across the UK play a critical role in supporting local economies, with low cost flights to Europe, hubs like Dubai, and holiday destinations. But Heathrow is a national asset, connecting the UK to global markets, and making it easier for Britain’s exporters to win business and attract inward investment.
When airlines cannot get into Heathrow, they rarely opt for other point-to-point UK airports. Instead, they go to hubs in France, Germany or the Netherlands, helping their economies at the expense of ours to the tune of £14bn a year.
other than to note that LGW's long haul offer is much the same as MAN'
Hardly anti-regional airports at all, just a commercially realistic viewpoint. When Delta were denied access to LHR they did not try and build a second hub at MAN, they built a JV at AMS with KLM.
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Here is the link
Only Heathrow Airport expansion will allow Britain to win the global race for growth | City A.M.
It doesn't really say what Lax_lhr claims..., as it wasn't a dig at regional airports. But I must admit it's sometimes fun to wind Bagso up!
Only Heathrow Airport expansion will allow Britain to win the global race for growth | City A.M.
It doesn't really say what Lax_lhr claims..., as it wasn't a dig at regional airports. But I must admit it's sometimes fun to wind Bagso up!
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Well it does seem a dig at regional airports, as it implies that if airlines cant get into LHR then they dont come to the UK at all, which isnt quite true, is it?
Take singapore and AA, they lobbied government to let them into MAN, because they wanted to serve MAN, not just Heathrow.
Cathay, Emirates, Etihad, Qatar etc etc all serve MAN because they wanted to serve MAN, not because they didnt get into LHR. The same can be said for any UK airport with long haul, they have the routes through demand, not because LHR was full.
And that was my point. Regardless of how i originally put it across, the comments ti me smack of 'LHR is the be all and end all, the rest of the UK is lucky to have what they have'.
Dont get me wrong, LHR is a national asset and the prestige point of entry, but, the article is severly open to interpritation, and i am entitled to state how I enterprited it.
Take singapore and AA, they lobbied government to let them into MAN, because they wanted to serve MAN, not just Heathrow.
Cathay, Emirates, Etihad, Qatar etc etc all serve MAN because they wanted to serve MAN, not because they didnt get into LHR. The same can be said for any UK airport with long haul, they have the routes through demand, not because LHR was full.
And that was my point. Regardless of how i originally put it across, the comments ti me smack of 'LHR is the be all and end all, the rest of the UK is lucky to have what they have'.
Dont get me wrong, LHR is a national asset and the prestige point of entry, but, the article is severly open to interpritation, and i am entitled to state how I enterprited it.
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Probably the important thing is to read the original piece rather than react to an individual's characterisation of it (whether yours, mine or Skip's). I find it difficult to take offence at what Holland-Kaye said. He acknowledged the important role of regional airports, and let's face it - virtually all of MAN's long haul routes (other than purely holiday destinations) are to hubs, which tends to reinforce his basic point.
And the fact that a growing number of long haul carriers see a market out of MAN doesn't negate his point - which is that other airports can complement LHR but not act as a substitute for it. MAN has a strong market of its own, drawing in traffic from much of the rest of the UK.
And the fact that a growing number of long haul carriers see a market out of MAN doesn't negate his point - which is that other airports can complement LHR but not act as a substitute for it. MAN has a strong market of its own, drawing in traffic from much of the rest of the UK.
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Probably the important thing is to read the original piece rather than react to an individual's characterisation of it (whether yours, mine or Skip's).
Oh, I wasn't worried about that, and that's the beauty of free speech, people can discuss their interpretations of things freely (although I have blocked dear old skip, and knows it, so, if he is still replying to me, he truly is wasting his time)
In other news, Hainan have just applied to serve PVG-BOS from 2nd quarter 2015 (April-June).
Not only does this give hope that an announcement for MAN to start in the same period is still well and truly alive, but, also points to the fact the Shanghai service alluded to by MAN's CEO is very likely to now be Hainan too.
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Well it does seem a dig at regional airports, as it implies that if airlines cant get into LHR then they dont come to the UK at all, which isnt quite true, is it?
In other news, Hainan have just applied to serve PVG-BOS from 2nd quarter 2015 (April-June).
Not only does this give hope that an announcement for MAN to start in the same period is still well and truly alive, but, also points to the fact the Shanghai service alluded to by MAN's CEO is very likely to now be Hainan too.
Not only does this give hope that an announcement for MAN to start in the same period is still well and truly alive, but, also points to the fact the Shanghai service alluded to by MAN's CEO is very likely to now be Hainan too.
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and here's the moment we've been waiting for
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/201412/December_2014_Provisional_Airport_Statistics.pdf[/URL]
21,951,758 is the magic number which means less than 22mill according to CAA and more according to MAN. 7.6% increase in month is good.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/201412/December_2014_Provisional_Airport_Statistics.pdf[/URL]
21,951,758 is the magic number which means less than 22mill according to CAA and more according to MAN. 7.6% increase in month is good.
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An airline have applied to serve America from China which means they're (somehow) likely to start Manchester.
Can't say I follow the logic either. Besides, Hainan only offer a few domestic flights into Shanghai so even if they were to open up a base I can't see MAN being at the top of the list.
If MAN-PVG is on the cards China-Eastern must surely be the front-runner.
Can't say I follow the logic either. Besides, Hainan only offer a few domestic flights into Shanghai so even if they were to open up a base I can't see MAN being at the top of the list.
If MAN-PVG is on the cards China-Eastern must surely be the front-runner.
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Chinapattern,
I meant that it is well known Hainan are expected to start MAN flights in May or June. Some are worried the rumours have gone quiet.
The fact Hainan are openly applying just now for routes that start in April/May/June means its not a bad thing that the MAN rumours have gone quiet, as there is still time for them to announce MAN for a May/June start.
In terms of Shanghai, Andrew Cowan said a Shanghai link is likely on the back of a Beijing link, so, given Hainan are now opening long haul ex-Shanghai, it is not impossible that MAN have done a double deal for both cities with Hainan.
I don't understand why that's hard to follow, but, I'm assuming the quote in your post is lifted from Skipness, who has taken exception to me for a long time now (I still have no idea to this day why he singles me out), hence his block, and likely to be in a pedantic mode for the sake of it and, more baffling, STILL posting to me despite the fact I have blocked him. Its just weird now.
I meant that it is well known Hainan are expected to start MAN flights in May or June. Some are worried the rumours have gone quiet.
The fact Hainan are openly applying just now for routes that start in April/May/June means its not a bad thing that the MAN rumours have gone quiet, as there is still time for them to announce MAN for a May/June start.
In terms of Shanghai, Andrew Cowan said a Shanghai link is likely on the back of a Beijing link, so, given Hainan are now opening long haul ex-Shanghai, it is not impossible that MAN have done a double deal for both cities with Hainan.
I don't understand why that's hard to follow, but, I'm assuming the quote in your post is lifted from Skipness, who has taken exception to me for a long time now (I still have no idea to this day why he singles me out), hence his block, and likely to be in a pedantic mode for the sake of it and, more baffling, STILL posting to me despite the fact I have blocked him. Its just weird now.
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As its seen as quite an important new service, Cathay's LF for December was 79%.
Also, given Emirates are upgrading the evening flight to an A380 next month, they carried 70714, a minuscule LF of 92% in December.
Nice set of figures.
Also, given Emirates are upgrading the evening flight to an A380 next month, they carried 70714, a minuscule LF of 92% in December.
Nice set of figures.
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'long haul can only work from hubs such as heathrow' and airlines rarely put long haul routes into the regions.
"when airlines cannot get into Heathrow, they rarely opt for other point-to-point UK airports. Instead, they go to hubs in France, Germany or the Netherlands..."
Again correct, what is the problem with this comment and how is anti-"regional" airports?
Am having a serious problem in finding what the problem actually is with this City AM article (thanks for the link, Skip and Basil).