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Old 16th Aug 2016, 18:25
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Originally Posted by Ametyst1 View Post
EastMids is correct in so much as Manchester is not, and never will be, the alternative to the provision of an extra runway(s) in the London area. It will find and create it's own market for the future.

I would hope that Hainan is over 90% plus full with the fares they have been charging. Beijing for under 350 is excellent for passengers if not for yield.

Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool do indeed have a massive fan base in the Fare East, the problem is that whilst they number in their millions, most don't have the money to travel to Europe. Hence, the reason these teams do a Far East pre-season tour every two years.

Garuda have been flying into the EU for about three or four years now with daily flights from Jakarta to both Amsterdam and London. They code-share to Manchester using the KLM service.

Re Garuda, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought they wet leased due not being allowed into on their own metal?
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 19:55
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Garuda serve LHR and AMS with their own Indonesian operated and registered new B777-300ERs.
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Old 16th Aug 2016, 20:52
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
Garuda serve LHR and AMS with their own Indonesian operated and registered new B777-300ERs.
Well that's put me back in my box. Thanks for the correction
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 09:16
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2 new Norwegian routes to Tenerife and Gran Canaria, both 2 weekly each starting Nov 1st and Oct 30th respectively.

Winter now sees 7 routes and 17 weekly flights so far.

No sign of BCN at this time but not expected to run this winter, and they had applied for slots to do 4 weekly CPH, but I think the slot request may have changed to do the 2 Spanish routes instead.

Great news though.
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 09:21
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Did just wonder with CPH as there is a lot of competition with SAS and Easy
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 09:51
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Originally Posted by 750XL View Post
You've only got to look at the success of Hainan so far to see that there's a huge undeserved market to China. 90%+ average load factor and oversold with cargo daily

Scheduled flight but It's also being used for the cassia travel program isn't it?
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 09:53
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Most long haul airlines do the same

Ian
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 19:58
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T2 (landside) evacuated

Manchester Airport's T2 (landside) has been evacuated.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 08:48
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2 new Norwegian routes to Tenerife and Gran Canaria, both 2 weekly each starting Nov 1st and Oct 30th respectively.

Winter now sees 7 routes and 17 weekly flights so far.

No sign of BCN at this time but not expected to run this winter, and they had applied for slots to do 4 weekly CPH, but I think the slot request may have changed to do the 2 Spanish routes instead.
Airlineroute.net now also confirming:

New Routes:
eff 30OCT16 Manchester Gran Canaria/Las Palmas 2 weekly
eff 01NOV16 Manchester Tenerife South 2 weekly

Other service expansion:
Manchester Alicante service converts from summer-only to year-round, 2 weekly
Manchester Malaga service converts from summer-only to year-round, 4 weekly
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 19:59
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Yes, Manchester delay statistics are not the best to start with FLIGHTONTIME.info - Manchester Airport Flight Delays & Punctuality

I agree with LAX LHR on the event reporting. Stations, theatres and other venues are being evacuated every other day- there are more important things in this world than this to report on in a short bulletin.
Maybe if this thread stuck to genuine news items about MAN instead of tunnels,HMRC, accountancy, Syria, then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I fully understand the wider financial implications, but I still don't think this is the correct forum for this. It is the same points of view being repeated over and over again. Can we not give it a rest before this thread gets locked again? It is the ONLY airport thread on PPRuNe that is bogged down in this stuff.
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 20:32
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Funny thing about the stats is that T3 carriers who want it because of quick access to runway and all that they are some of the worst performing carriers compared to T1/T2 operations.

Now I know it's not clear cut but just saying...
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Old 21st Aug 2016, 22:20
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philbky,
A good post. Perhaps Mr. A Tis would feel more at home on the spotters page? Airports do not exist in isolation after all. They need resilient ground transport links.....And fuse-boxes.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 08:42
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One thing I am not is a spotter.
If every single Airline Airports & Routes thread was filled with items about fuse boxes, the north south chip on shoulder , Syria, Sheffield tunnels etc then PPRuNe would cease to exist.
In a way, fortunately, only the Manchester Thread is filled with this stuff.
You all make very good valuable points, my gripe is that you fill these pages by repeating them over and over and over and over again...
ie Boring & you make us look like whinging Northerners.
As a frequent premium user of the airport, you don't appear to want to talk about the overcrowding in T3, the fact it's impossible to drop people off at times, even on a "quiet" Saturday afternoon traffic is backed up onto the M56. Simply the airport at times can barely cope with it's current level of customers and improvements could take up to 10 years. As a customer of the airport, for me it would be better not to see any more new "tails" as somebody put it, until it can cope better.
On that basis I shall depart this thread & leave you to grumble about Government funding amongst yourselves- it appears this is what you want.

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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 09:05
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This thread has gotten so boring it looks like a bunch of MP's having a debate and getting nowhere most of the time.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 09:51
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22nd August, a date that I never can forget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...urs_Flight_28M
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 10:04
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Mr A Tis, I totally agree with you.

The ongoing arguments about infrastructure, funding, being the chosen alternative to Heathrow etc are both tedious and pointless.

Manchester should focus on its own problems which, as you rightly point out, are here and now! To think that we are going to have to put up with the status quo for the next 10 years or so is ridiculous.

Unfortunately, MAG should have done something about the terminals a long, long time ago.

I flew through Dublin last week, which handles about 10% more passengers than Manchester, the security area was very busy but very efficient. It is easy to get between Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 and it was airy and light with plenty of space and seating.

As I sat there I just wondered why is it taking Manchester 10 years to produce some improvements when Dublin did it in a fraction of the time. I also wondered, why isn't Manchester better than this now!
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 11:08
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As I sat there I just wondered why is it taking Manchester 10 years to produce some improvements when Dublin did it in a fraction of the time. I also wondered, why isn't Manchester better than this now!
Would I be right in thinking that DAA is state owned, and therefore national infrastructure issues are placed ahead of profit for Dublin; or am I wide of the mark?
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 12:14
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I flew through Dublin last Wednesday, and sorry to say it was swamped totally. Dublin, has its own problems it's no shangri-la by any means.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 12:21
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Manchester Airport has had years to improve and has failed to do so. Regardless of public funding it appears MAG has preferred to return a dividend to it's local authority stakeholders rather than invest.

Dublin may have its problems but it is miles ahead over Manchester in terms of passenger experience.
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Old 22nd Aug 2016, 13:26
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Dublin may have its problems but it is miles ahead over Manchester in terms of passenger experience.
Only your opinion as a regular MAN moaner. bayer328 and All Names Taken would seem to disagree with you about DUB.

Following the slump after 2006, MAN took longer than some airports to recover, so I can understand some reticence in committing to infrastructure investment too soon. However, from an outsider perspective it could be thought that action is maybe a couple of years late and I can understand why some feel the 10 year time frame for the TP is too long.

That said, my own experiences at MAN in recent years have not been at all bad.
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