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Old 13th Dec 2015, 15:44
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
But not all at once so lets wait and see what is going to happen,
the airport authority know what they are doing so don`t panic.
Texact number and type of stands will be known and a few over to cater
for new services will be allowed for

Ian
Who's panicking? The point is that the new development won't add much in the way of apron capacity so in a scenario where stand availability is already an issue at times, it can only get worse in the short to medium term. I don't think some people have appreciated yet how disruptive the remodelling and reconfiguration process might be, especially airside.
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Old 13th Dec 2015, 16:28
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think a lot of bussing will be involved like it was at Heathrow
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Old 13th Dec 2015, 21:10
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Relocate the cargo centre to the other side of Altrincham road (cargo city, plenty of room left !!) only the bonded warehouse actually needs to be close to the apron. Then concrete the whole area doubling the size of the west apron. Then while you are at it carry on around sun bank lane relocate the RVP to south side and concrete that area as well. That should sort out the lack of stands, come to think of it you could fit a lot of cars on that space !
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 09:14
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Transformation Master Plan / Planning App

I think it's worth bearing in mind that MAN need to play the planning 'game' at this point and are doing it well so far.


Firstly, they need to get cracking with the proposals but that needs permission. So why put the whole thing in in one go and have a drawn out planning process when you can apply for a nil net gain application to kick start the T2 main body works and put in other applications later? this is what they are doing.


Let's not forget that whilst a lot of people on these forums want to see big expansion, lobbying groups who don't like airports such as environmental groups will find it hard to object to a planning application that reduces floor space and provides one additional stand (ignoring the permission for the extension of the apron).


So MAN will hopefully get this application through in double quick time. How can they not do? And that will allow for spades in the ground as soon as they want. The applications for the additional piers and other works can follow as they become ready. Bear in mind that there has not been long to produce this work.


So let's be pleased that this first (of many) application has gone in and works are imminent. The proposal will give MAN a fit for purpose T2 main building on which they can add a series of new piers to accommodate growth.


And yes, there will undoubtedly will be a lot of bussing from T2 onto the new remote stands near the M56 for years to come but that's fine as we will get something special by the end of it.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 09:56
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Yes Gavin spot on
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 10:19
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I agree that this is a very sensible approach. One query. The planning documents are inconsistent on when the apron extension (over Staff West etc) for which they already have planning consent will be done. I presume it will be part of the first works as implied on the plans but can anyone confirm
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 11:20
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Well something of a handbrake turn as I recall EDI initially supporting Davies ? ( I think).

Amazing what the sniff of long haul does !

Good to see at least one airport responding to Heathrow decision in robust and unequivocal no compromising manner!

Call for Scotland to 'rethink' relationship with London airports - BBC News

Wakes Wakey MAG !
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 11:28
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Wakey wakey as in the 25 long haul routes they are targetting and was reported on quite widely including popping up on Bloomberg?
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 11:29
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Gavin, let me get this right. The Terminal upgrade will be made by putting many applications in as they go along? Does this mean that planning permission will be sought for each pier etc?
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 11:44
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Well something of a handbrake turn as I recall EDI initially supporting Davies ? ( I think).
Hardly, given they're owned by the same firm who also own "Gatwick, Obviously" and are currently running wraparounds weekly on the Evening Standard decrying LHR as a lost cause. They were consistently in line with Group Policy in supporting Gatwick. EDI, like MAN barely has enough infrastructure for existing throuhgput, never mind additional long haul. Unlike MAN however, they have nowhere to park anything bigger than a B737 anymore at the times the airlines are asking.

Mr Dewar (formerly BAA) would be well advised to stop preaching about others and :
1) Sort out the calamitous lesson in how not to project manage anything they called their new security hall
2) Pour some concrete

Anyone have a link to the most up to date images of the MAN master plan? In terms of strategic planning, MAN are way ahead of EDI here.

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Old 14th Dec 2015, 11:59
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BDLBOS,


I would expect quite a few applications but perhaps not one per pier. The plans show up to four piers but I suspect the one nearest the M56 will be last as that area will be used for bussing so I could see an application for two or three of them at once with the other(s) to follow.


I could also see a separate application for the T2-T1 link, for demolition of bits of T3 and quite a few for other, smaller changes.


Overall, perhaps we'll see another 3-4 big applications with many smaller ones including amendments.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 12:05
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But in the planning documents it makes it clear that Planning consent is not required for the piers
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 13:36
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Well said Viscount 702. The construction of piers and apron is covered under existing powers or approvals.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 13:43
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I suspect there will be an application for the piers though as I believe the consent is outline for the extension of the originally proposed T2. The alignment is now completely different so I expect it to go in as a new application or material amendment.


It may also be that we see something go in up to the previously approved number of stands and a second application for additional.


What I think is clear given what they have just put in is that they will try and use nil detriment / already consented to get a lot through before they have to start to show how material increases are mitigated for etc....


It's exciting times in any case.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 14:22
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I wish I could see some real drawings of how they intend to do this without restricting growth.
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 16:04
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Anyone have a link to the most up to date images of the MAN master plan?
I wish I could see some real drawings
What Skip & BDLBOS said..
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:12
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EZY new route announcement today Man - 2xweekly, I'll leave it to them to announce destination
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 09:22
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EZY new route announcement today Man - 2xweekly, I'll leave it to them to announce destination
It's Tivat in Montenegro. Thu/Sun.

Easyjets only route there too, nice little route. Montenegro Airways were due to launch said route last year, so great to finally have an option.
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:23
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And you can go book it. Begins 27 March.
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Old 15th Dec 2015, 11:43
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Just 2 gaps to fill now on Monday and Saturday afternoons
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