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Old 4th Jun 2015, 21:59
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The MPs in our area Frank are complete imbeciles ! They are voted in by local people and therefore issues which effect the local area and in this case benefit a much wider are ie The North should be at the forefront of their thinking. I have no idea why but it NEVER is.

Can you imagine MPs in Surrey, Sussex suggesting events in Manchester are more important than their region ? That said BBC business editors are no better. Unless you were on here Frank I suspect you would not have seen any coverage of this at all. Our local patch MEN, Look NWest , Key103 and the (Wigan Observer), did of course immerse itself in the subject but quite frankly UK wide national coverage was appalling, nay almost non-existent. Two national papers carried it on their websites for about 4 hours.

Even 5 Live whose HQ is 8 miles away managed to swerve us completely. An accident of timing meant of course we were swept down the pecking order, thoroughly understandable, but not to the extent that we are totally transparent ! When the Airport Commissions report comes out "regardless of what is happening in the wider world" I guarantee LHR/LGW expansion will be lead item, it is a seen as being in the "national interest", so why is an airport located 200 miles North , but capable of handling (55m, cough) and seemingly having a massive footprint in terms of catchment be any less significant ?

In recent months the PR Ex MAN has changed they are now suggesting that ; "MAN covers a massive catchment from The Midlands to Scotland", and "it's a national asset LIKE HEATHROW"

These comments have appeared multiple times but there is little point saying that locally within a "regional bubble". One quote I saw suggested "This is great for Greater Manchester", They should of course have said this is great for the North, no wonder civic pride is understandably irked in Merseyside and Yorkshire ! How about sensitive reporting with a diplomatic slant re Northerpowerhouse ?

And what of the Look NWest business editor, in his online piece he suggested "Manchester cannot of course compete with LHR or LGW" Not even LGW , really ?

Some of are "locals" have no nous when it comes to media delivery ! There is abject failure to engage at a national level, whether that is the fault of London Centric BBC Editors OR a strategic failure by MAN in the way it engages with the media , don't know !

Thank goodness Bloomberg and Rueters got hold of the story, people in Gtr Manchester and Vietnam are at least well informed !

Using the Jim ONeill contacts would have been tactical genius .....!
Bagso, you won't get an argument from me about inadequacies and mentality of the smug London-centric metroplitan elite, whether politicians, civil servants, functionaries, big business, or the media (all of it, not just the BBC)!

The sad thing is that many of those people are from the north and other parts of the UK outside London "zone 1" yet have gone completely "native". It's that old "north of Watford Gap" nonsense. They are sucked into the system in a similar way to those who go to work for the great EU bureaucracy.

Unfortunately for the BBC, part of it was moved to Manchester (Salford Quays) to redress the balance, ahem, to sell off prime London properties, but it's made no difference.

But it's not all bad aviation news for you Bagso: it isn't reported but Ringway is quietly getting on with reorganising and rebuilding its terminals, it will be the first (or only) UK airport to have USA pre-clearance, and it's got a second parallel rwy which puts it ahead of LGW, BHX, GLA, EDI, etc..

The station has been massively expanded with rail links all over the north, the trams have arrived, and the airport city is going ahead. New routes and carriers will follow.

All this despite imbecile MPs (your words Bagso, couldn't possibly comment!).

The glass is half FULL.

BTW, beware of HS2, whether it has a station at Ringway, whether it has a station a mile from Ringway, or avoids Ringway altogether, HS2 is likely to suck even more economic activity towards London rather than diffuse it. That has been the experience with HS rail in France and Japan, countries with equally dominant capital cities, so why would it be any different in the UK?

HS3 on the other hand makes good sense and is urgently needed.
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Old 4th Jun 2015, 22:09
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BTW, beware of HS2, whether it has a station at Ringway, whether it has a station a mile from Ringway, or avoids Ringway altogether, HS2 is likely to suck even more economic activity towards London rather than diffuse it. That has been the experience with HS rail in France and Japan, countries with equally dominant capital cities, so why would it be any different in the UK?
I think a few of us up here share that concern FDF, including I suspect Bagso.

And I agree, HS3 could be much more beneficial to MAN.
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 06:46
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Even HS3 could be short cutted by longer trains so people do not have to stand. The saving of 10 min or so is not that important as you still have to travel to the station by car / bus/ shanks pony what ever which will take up much of the time for many commuter's.


Incidentally currently in T1 waiting for EK to DXB, and terminal seems not too busy with security lines looking to be working well AND EVEN GOT A SMILE AND GOOD MORNINNG FROM THEM. Must be the news of the new development that has got them enthused or perhaps the weather ! Just been told by a colleague it could be a little bumpy over Europe due to TS, THIS AFTER HK THE OTHER WEEK, I must be carrying a lightning rod !


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Old 5th Jun 2015, 09:03
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BTW, beware of HS2, whether it has a station at Ringway, whether it has a station a mile from Ringway, or avoids Ringway altogether, HS2 is likely to suck even more economic activity towards London rather than diffuse it
I wonder if the airport should actually be renamed Ringway. Simply calling it Manchester Airport makes it sound too parochial.
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 11:46
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Take it from someone who lives and works overseas there is no better name for the airport than Manchester. Thanks to the city's long history and even more famous football teams it's a name that is instantly recognized world wide and for all the right reasons (except perhaps the weather !)
In Australia they even still refer to their bed sheets and other household linen as "manchester" !! On the other hand names like East Midlands or Humberside would have many overseas travellers reaching for their Google maps.

If there was a good reason to change the name to Manchester Ringway I don't think I'd object, but Manchester has to be in there

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Old 5th Jun 2015, 14:32
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Biggest mistake for the region took place 30 years ago when there was a real opportunity to develop the former USAF base at Burtonwood as a civilian airport to serve both Manchester and Liverpool. With three runways, it was in the post-war years, the largest USAF facility in Europe. It would have been ideal as the base area was huge and new develop terminals and other facilities could have easily been developed. I seem to recall that BOAC used the field for a short time when Manchester wasn't available to them. Pity the city fathers in both LPL and MAN didn't have the foresight and courage to bury old rivalries.
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 15:27
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So i see the original OP pulls the same s##t he does on another forum and gets what he wants for his anti-manchester agenda, the historic MAN vs LPL kick off.

Great! Just what we want on the MAN forum!
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 15:34
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As you are looking in LAX, and to change subject onto more relevant matters,
is there any update, news, rumour, or indication of the intentions of Air India or Hainan for MAN, or not as the case may be?
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 15:40
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Hainan not till 2016 at the earliest, AI still good but they like to leave things to the last minute anyways.
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 15:40
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Air india

Funnily enough I just seen a poster of air India in the town of Chorlton in South Manchester' massive poster saying "Air India Return flight to Manchester from 425"

I will only believe this once confirmed....

As for Hainan God knows what's going on there now as I'm shocked how they still haven't pulled a annoucment yet even though things are in place...

Also After calling Cathay Pacific just now to book to Hong Kong flights are heavily booked from July-December and fairs are sky high at 1021 return at economy..
I have not booked as Emirates is only at 521 return from Hong Kong...
Time Cathay Pacific made a annoucment too of up surging the flights...

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Old 5th Jun 2015, 16:07
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Thanks for the replies guys. Interesting that there's a poster Sarah. I trust it didn't say 'via London' in small print?!

The other candidate for extra flights, as opposed to a new service, is CX.
If load factors continue in the high 80's, I guess we're looking at early 2016 before they could go daily. (depending on a/c availability)
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 16:11
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Funnily enough I just seen a poster of air India in the town of Chorlton in South Manchester' massive poster saying "Air India Return flight to Manchester from 425"
So where in Chorlton is it and I can go and have a look...
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 17:25
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So where in Chorlton is it and I can go and have a look...
Star news on Wilbraham Road...
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Old 5th Jun 2015, 17:37
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http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...nline-2015.pdf

Not sure if this has been posted before but it's an interesting read, including sections about stuff like the C pier taxiway bottle neck and full length 23L/05R taxiway which I'm sure will excite some on here.

"Areas for future apron expansion will be;
West of Terminal 2,

East of Terminal 3,

Cloughbank Farm / World Freight Terminal.
Where appropriate these areas will be developed for temporary uses
(e.g. car parking) until such time that they are required for apron
continuing a long standing principle and one that accords with
Manchester City planning policy."
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Old 7th Jun 2015, 05:43
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Lord Mandelson: Labour's huge Northern Powerhouse mistake - BBC News


Sorry not aviation as such so jog on if this holds no interest but such comments DO have a major bearing on policies in the North and indeed therefore Manchester Airport.

I totally dislike this guy but he is 100 % correct.

Manchester Airport should be using these heavyweights who still have major influence and who are clearly supportive of Manchester to sell policy !
....even if the comments are for their agenda !

Given the pr debacle of MAN expansion and what in my view may as well have been a news black out re National BBC / ITV it is not to late to pick up the phone... maybe as MAG Policy Advisor On Media Communications !

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Old 7th Jun 2015, 06:02
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All I can say is thank god they didn`t get in as we would be well on the way to the dogs now and I cannot see why MAN expansion is a debacle
as you have no idea what is going on behind closed doors

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Old 7th Jun 2015, 06:54
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Ian I was talking about the debacle re LACK of airtime with Huw Edwards.....not the expansion itself !!!!!!!!!
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Old 7th Jun 2015, 08:11
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oops sorry mis understood it is early don`t normally get up this early
but got up to send wife to a conference

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Old 7th Jun 2015, 13:05
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750XL.

As you say an interesting read, although somewhat behind the times ,many parts referring to 2007 and latest I could find in relation to the terminal, stands etc was 2012.

Be far more interesting when they start putting in the up to date planning applications, as the proposed phases they mentioned last weeks are rolled out, so we know what to expect.

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Old 7th Jun 2015, 19:16
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Bagso will be delighted!

Direct link from Staffordshire to Manchester Airport on way Express & Star
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