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All eastbound SAS longhaul from CPH (to PEK, PVG and NRT) can be reached with the 13:15 arrival. If you prefer to back track before moving in the right direction, it is even possible to fly to Chicago with its 15:40 departure.
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Looks very exciting indeed. I can imagine maybe part of Terminal 1 will be incorporated into the new building maybe. One thing I don't get though is how are the going to make Terminal 2 all glass? That might be difficult. Also it might be hard to move the Gates there, although I would imagine this will take place over time.
Also in other News it's now confirmed that Air Canada Rouge will be operating from Terminal 2 this summer.
Also in other News it's now confirmed that Air Canada Rouge will be operating from Terminal 2 this summer.
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Plans look well but lack so much detail. They don't seem ready to announce such changes. Think it was nothing more than a glorified PR stunt.
There is no reason why details shouldn't be released if they know what they plan to do!
I love that MEN got EZY and EK to comment and not carriers like FR, LS who are real loco carriers.....
There is no reason why details shouldn't be released if they know what they plan to do!
I love that MEN got EZY and EK to comment and not carriers like FR, LS who are real loco carriers.....
No doubt the detail is already known to known to the user groups who have already been involved and these are the people who need to be involved as the scheme develops. The likes of you and me would like to know the detail no doubt, but why should we be told?
And since when was EZY not a real loco carrier? They've chosen 2 of the airports biggest carriers to support the announcement; I'm sure that other endorsements will appear in due course.
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We know implimenting US PBC at LHR is going to be a logistical challenge, so, will naturally take longer, so, if true, is quite a coup for MAN to be the first pre clearance centre in the UK.
Wasn't CPH also an Aer Lingus hub route or am I thinking of the SAS add on to Ireland?
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Wasn't CPH also an Aer Lingus hub route or am I thinking of the SAS add on to Ireland?
I think BA could introduce pre-clearance in T5 relatively easily by just dedicating one or 2 toast racks to U.S. departures only. They certainly have the volume of flights to justify it.
Obviously building a brand new terminal with pre clearance in mind is a huge advantage to MAN. As a controller I must say those cul de sacs look like a right pain in the a***, as they only allow one in or one out at a time, whereas with toast racks you can bring them in one end and out the other, reducing delays, but I've only seen the MEN photos, and you need taxiways at either end of the terminal, which requires more space, tunnels for roads or trains etc.
Obviously building a brand new terminal with pre clearance in mind is a huge advantage to MAN. As a controller I must say those cul de sacs look like a right pain in the a***, as they only allow one in or one out at a time, whereas with toast racks you can bring them in one end and out the other, reducing delays, but I've only seen the MEN photos, and you need taxiways at either end of the terminal, which requires more space, tunnels for roads or trains etc.
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If the developments at MAN come to fruition I don't think it will do anything to help LPL or perhaps LBA / BHX for that matter. Unless, of course, once MAN is finished, and the MAN punctuality stats become an issue. But I'm sure the other airports are alert to the potential for MAN to take pax and services following the expansion.
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It'll be a few years yet until things will be done at MAN, but with a 40% increase in brand new world class terminal capacity, and US pre-clearance, MAN will certainly become more attractive for airlines and passengers.
It may not long term be good for LPL airport, but it's fantastic news for the NW region, and the north in general.
It may not long term be good for LPL airport, but it's fantastic news for the NW region, and the north in general.
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Fantastic news for Manchester and not before time.
However although it sounds a lot, £1billion doesn't buy you that much especially over the long time frame of the completion of this project.
For example the rebuilding of New Street Station in Birmingham which opens later this year has cost nearly £500 million.God knows where it has gone !
The cost of building T5 at Heathrow was about £5 billion and that was some years ago.
Still the drawings look good and will be a big improvement in layout and stand capability you would think.
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Fantastic news for Manchester and not before time.
However although it sounds a lot, £1billion doesn't buy you that much especially over the long time frame of the completion of this project.
For example the rebuilding of New Street Station in Birmingham which opens later this year has cost nearly £500 million.God knows where it has gone !
The cost of building T5 at Heathrow was about £5 billion and that was some years ago.
Still the drawings look good and will be a big improvement in layout and stand capability you would think.
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Obviously building a brand new terminal with pre clearance in mind is a huge advantage to MAN. As a controller I must say those cul de sacs look like a right pain in the a***, as they only allow one in or one out at a time, whereas with toast racks you can bring them in one end and out the other, reducing delays, but I've only seen the MEN photos, and you need taxiways at either end of the terminal, which requires more space, tunnels for roads or trains etc.
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Fantastic news for Manchester and not before time.
However although it sounds a lot, £1billion doesn't buy you that much especially over the long time frame of the completion of this project.
However although it sounds a lot, £1billion doesn't buy you that much especially over the long time frame of the completion of this project.
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No, no, no, dave59, T2 first phase which opened in 1993 cost £260 million, not £500 million. I know because I was there. The planned second phase - a doubling in size of the terminal building to the north and a remote pier, was expected to follow within ten years but due to slower than forecast traffic growth, and the development of T3 for British Airways, it didn't happen. It's true that £1bn is not a huge sum in large airport terms but it is nevertheless enough to make a big difference to what is offered at MAN. It will transform the terminal experience. Today's announcement will extend the terminal even more than the original plan, and instead of the remote pier it will add three or possibly eventually four finger piers with cul-de-sacs, each featuring multi-choice stand blocks (one wide body / two narrow body) and multi choice taxilanes in the cul de sacs (one wide body or two-way narrow body). With smart pushback procedures these should work well and keep the main taxiway thoroughfare mainly clear of pushback and start up blockages, which is a problem with the current MAN layout.
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More on the pre-clearance
Ken O’Toole, managing director of Manchester Airport, said: “We have been in discussion with the US Department of Homeland Security for some time about securing pre-clearance at Manchester Airport for passengers travelling to the United States."
What is said behind closed doors counts more than beckoning the media for every miniscule thing you are doing.
Ken O’Toole, managing director of Manchester Airport, said: “We have been in discussion with the US Department of Homeland Security for some time about securing pre-clearance at Manchester Airport for passengers travelling to the United States."
What is said behind closed doors counts more than beckoning the media for every miniscule thing you are doing.
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Obviously building a brand new terminal with pre clearance in mind is a huge advantage to MAN. As a controller I must say those cul de sacs look like a right pain in the a***, as they only allow one in or one out at a time, whereas with toast racks you can bring them in one end and out the other, reducing delays, but I've only seen the MEN photos, and you need taxiways at either end of the terminal, which requires more space, tunnels for roads or trains etc.
The MEN photos do look good, and the plan to link up MAN-2 and MAN-3 airside is plain common sense. Will there be a dedicated terminal for no frills carriers?
Stansted has double pushback cul-de-sacs which seem to be quite efficent. Probably not as good as the toast-rack design at Heathrow but probably a lot less expensive and still reasonably efficent. If that is the plan here though I don't know.
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May traffic including transit up 2.84% (2.8 excluding) or 58,115 passengers. Domestic the only fall.
http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...s-may-2015.pdf
http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...s-may-2015.pdf
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The Preclearance issue re MAN I feel has been somewhat misconstrued !
In terms of MANs written submission to SHD, YES preclearance was very much at the heart of the submission to enhance MAN in the overall capacity debate, from memory it was actually second item down, that was over 3 years ago. So yes I do appreciate MAN were acutely aware of its importance.
I am not suggesting as I said previous that the minutes of every MAN meeting should be aired on here!
it was more the "implication" that SHD didn't see this as a priority , I come to that conclusion because it has not been referred to with the vigour that one might have expected of a debate on airport strategy re capacity.
On that basis drawing attention to its absence seems legitimate. Not through pointed comments in the media (as rightly pointed out via "huff n puff" as one other airport does) , but more through continuing to reference the subject in various discussions.
Whilst his influence in this specific area was minimal when SHD rode into town end of last year I am not sure it was at the forefront of his thinking, did he make ANY comment whatsoever in respect of this !
If it was referenced from what I recall it was fleeting !
At least 3 years on we appear to have arrived, although that may also be more to do with the US side pushing from the "security" aspect than the UK pushing from the "commercial imperative" to assist MAN (and indeed LHR).
Anyway what the hell , its great news and whilst we may be a 2 years away + from seeing this actually work might it influence airline thinking in the short term if it is a given that its coming down the track later on ?
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As an aside if it only goes in 1 Term at LHR will other US airlines operating from other terminals cry foul ?
In terms of MANs written submission to SHD, YES preclearance was very much at the heart of the submission to enhance MAN in the overall capacity debate, from memory it was actually second item down, that was over 3 years ago. So yes I do appreciate MAN were acutely aware of its importance.
I am not suggesting as I said previous that the minutes of every MAN meeting should be aired on here!
it was more the "implication" that SHD didn't see this as a priority , I come to that conclusion because it has not been referred to with the vigour that one might have expected of a debate on airport strategy re capacity.
On that basis drawing attention to its absence seems legitimate. Not through pointed comments in the media (as rightly pointed out via "huff n puff" as one other airport does) , but more through continuing to reference the subject in various discussions.
Whilst his influence in this specific area was minimal when SHD rode into town end of last year I am not sure it was at the forefront of his thinking, did he make ANY comment whatsoever in respect of this !
If it was referenced from what I recall it was fleeting !
At least 3 years on we appear to have arrived, although that may also be more to do with the US side pushing from the "security" aspect than the UK pushing from the "commercial imperative" to assist MAN (and indeed LHR).
Anyway what the hell , its great news and whilst we may be a 2 years away + from seeing this actually work might it influence airline thinking in the short term if it is a given that its coming down the track later on ?
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As an aside if it only goes in 1 Term at LHR will other US airlines operating from other terminals cry foul ?
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May traffic including transit up 2.84% (2.8 excluding) or 58,115 passengers. Domestic the only fall.
http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...s-may-2015.pdf
http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...s-may-2015.pdf
Shame this is coming at the same time as the expansion plans!
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The MEN photos do look good, and the plan to link up MAN-2 and MAN-3 airside is plain common sense. Will there be a dedicated terminal for no frills carriers?
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I can see that the airport authority will be looking at a priority of
moving airlines round to fit as things progress and would expect that
that will start to happen quite early on so as to get US routes from 1 terminal (T2)
ready for the 1st section of T2 being completed which
I imagine will be the homeland security area at west end of of building
I would think this gaing to be a very exciting time to be in planning which
I know would have started several years ago but is now moving up a gear or three
moving airlines round to fit as things progress and would expect that
that will start to happen quite early on so as to get US routes from 1 terminal (T2)
ready for the 1st section of T2 being completed which
I imagine will be the homeland security area at west end of of building
I would think this gaing to be a very exciting time to be in planning which
I know would have started several years ago but is now moving up a gear or three