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The A320neo does offer better airfield performance although I don't know the exact improvement. The PMI-based A320 currently operating SEN-PMI frequently carries a full pax payload in summer conditions so the A320neo would open up more distant destinations.
As far as SOU is concerned its declared distances are very similar to those at SEN although the 20 climb path does have obstacle problems. A "15 degree slew" departure procedure is available on 20 but I don't know if easyJet SOPs allow its use.
Incidentally it was the fact that the 1-11 had to operate via OST to many Channel Airways destinations that forced the move to STN. Quite why they bought that aircraft knowing its severe SEN limitations, rather than the B737 and DC9 that they also considered. remains a mystery.
The A320neo does offer better airfield performance although I don't know the exact improvement. The PMI-based A320 currently operating SEN-PMI frequently carries a full pax payload in summer conditions so the A320neo would open up more distant destinations.
As far as SOU is concerned its declared distances are very similar to those at SEN although the 20 climb path does have obstacle problems. A "15 degree slew" departure procedure is available on 20 but I don't know if easyJet SOPs allow its use.
Incidentally it was the fact that the 1-11 had to operate via OST to many Channel Airways destinations that forced the move to STN. Quite why they bought that aircraft knowing its severe SEN limitations, rather than the B737 and DC9 that they also considered. remains a mystery.
rog747
The A320neo does offer better airfield performance although I don't know the exact improvement. The PMI-based A320 currently operating SEN-PMI frequently carries a full pax payload in summer conditions so the A320neo would open up more distant destinations.
As far as SOU is concerned its declared distances are very similar to those at SEN although the 20 climb path does have obstacle problems. A "15 degree slew" departure procedure is available on 20 but I don't know if easyJet SOPs allow its use.
Incidentally it was the fact that the 1-11 had to operate via OST to many Channel Airways destinations that forced the move to STN. Quite why they bought that aircraft knowing its severe SEN limitations, rather than the B737 and DC9 that they also considered. remains a mystery.
The A320neo does offer better airfield performance although I don't know the exact improvement. The PMI-based A320 currently operating SEN-PMI frequently carries a full pax payload in summer conditions so the A320neo would open up more distant destinations.
As far as SOU is concerned its declared distances are very similar to those at SEN although the 20 climb path does have obstacle problems. A "15 degree slew" departure procedure is available on 20 but I don't know if easyJet SOPs allow its use.
Incidentally it was the fact that the 1-11 had to operate via OST to many Channel Airways destinations that forced the move to STN. Quite why they bought that aircraft knowing its severe SEN limitations, rather than the B737 and DC9 that they also considered. remains a mystery.
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Incidentally it was the fact that the 1-11 had to operate via OST to many Channel Airways destinations that forced the move to STN. Quite why they bought that aircraft knowing its severe SEN limitations, rather than the B737 and DC9 that they also considered. remains a mystery.
There may have been an element of that but, after all, he had had a large fleet of DC-3s. More likely was the fact that BAC were desperate to sell their 1-11 and offered a financial package that was hard to refuse. Boeing, having already secured Britannia Airways, probably wouldn't match that. At the time I felt it was a big mistake but I guess the 737 was a noisy aircraft (though not quite as noisy as the 1-11 if memory serves me correctly) and Mr Budge and his Southend Jet Protest Association would have made intensive operations very difficult for the airport. Now that jets are SO much quieter there isn't the same level of opposition that there was back then.
Yes, there probably was some element of preferring to 'buy British'.
I also recall Jack Jones saying at the time that if the DC9 could be offered for delivery in time for the 1967(?) summer season he would be interested. That could, of course, just have been a ploy to get a better deal out of BAC for the
1-11.
I also recall Jack Jones saying at the time that if the DC9 could be offered for delivery in time for the 1967(?) summer season he would be interested. That could, of course, just have been a ploy to get a better deal out of BAC for the
1-11.
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I always understood that Channel's 1-11s were acquired primarily to operate the Southend to Glasgow 'bus stop' route, because of it's ability to be self sufficient, needing very little ground support at airports en-route, allowing short on ground times.
However, the route never lived up to aspirations and the 1-11s were quickly replaced by Viscounts and then by HS748s before being withdrawn as a glorious failure!
Perhaps we should be discussing this further on the History and Nostalgia forum.
However, the route never lived up to aspirations and the 1-11s were quickly replaced by Viscounts and then by HS748s before being withdrawn as a glorious failure!
Perhaps we should be discussing this further on the History and Nostalgia forum.
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This is a key question. Not because of the current situation - but I'm seeking an authoritative answer as to whether or not a A320neo (EZY spec) could operate a summer service to TFS without restriction. If yes, I would suggest the world (well Europe) is SEN's lobster.
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I agree that this topic has run its course here but must say that I don't think the 1-11 ever operated the 'Scottish Flyer' route, nor was intended for it. At least one Viscount had heavy-duty batteries fitted to make it self sufficient on turnrounds.
I agree that this topic has run its course here but must say that I don't think the 1-11 ever operated the 'Scottish Flyer' route, nor was intended for it. At least one Viscount had heavy-duty batteries fitted to make it self sufficient on turnrounds.
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The answer to your question is it will be better but not perfect... currently our A320's can be / are restricted on FAO, AGP in the summer especially on warm still days. We limit seats on sale in the winter to Canaries on the current A320's but foresee this being unrestricted in the winter. Also the case mostly in the summer but there will still be times when restrictions apply.
The answer to your question is it will be better but not perfect... currently our A320's can be / are restricted on FAO, AGP in the summer especially on warm still days. We limit seats on sale in the winter to Canaries on the current A320's but foresee this being unrestricted in the winter. Also the case mostly in the summer but there will still be times when restrictions apply.
seems SOU maybe in the same boat if EZY starts ops there next year
if EZY starts ops there next year
Getting back on topic, what is the likelihood of EZY using 320NEO in performance challenged bases. While the NEO is more capable, is that what it was bought for?
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I am pretty sure the 1.11 was used in the beginning from SEN, but I cant remember for how long.
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Nice positive publicity never hurts.
Southend Airport top of cheap parking list (From Echo)
Not sure what runway the aircraft was using!
Southend Airport top of cheap parking list (From Echo)
Not sure what runway the aircraft was using!
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The Scottish Flyer route commenced in January 1969. I don't think the 1-11 'fleet' was operating from SEN at that time having been transferred to STN in 1968. The Scottish Flyer liveried Viscount 812 was G-AVHK which had a baggage compartment in the cabin so that only the port engines needed to be shut down on turnrounds en route. It's possible I suppose that a 1-11 flew the route as a PR/photo shoot exercise.
The Scottish Flyer route commenced in January 1969. I don't think the 1-11 'fleet' was operating from SEN at that time having been transferred to STN in 1968. The Scottish Flyer liveried Viscount 812 was G-AVHK which had a baggage compartment in the cabin so that only the port engines needed to be shut down on turnrounds en route. It's possible I suppose that a 1-11 flew the route as a PR/photo shoot exercise.