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southside, I didn't say anything about the past or indeed not learning from it. There has been movement around the M25 and smaller markets have been squeezed, that cannot be debated. For example at STN more and more you are seeing peak arrivals from key business centres and cities, e.g. Frankfurt, two Milan airports, Madrid, Berlin. Meanwhile the likes of Derry and Dole have dropped away, assets going where there is more money to be made. Yes it might be the case that SEN picks up the scraps, but over time those scraps will go from being small Dutch cities and runways in the deepest French countryside to reasonably notable cities.
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southside, I didn't say anything about the past or indeed not learning from it. There has been movement around the M25 and smaller markets have been squeezed, that cannot be debated. For example at STN more and more you are seeing peak arrivals from key business centres and cities, e.g. Frankfurt, two Milan airports, Madrid, Berlin. Meanwhile the likes of Derry and Dole have dropped away, assets going where there is more money to be made. Yes it might be the case that SEN picks up the scraps, but over time those scraps will go from being small Dutch cities and runways in the deepest French countryside to reasonably notable cities.
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AirportPlanner...Righto .....I will monitor the SEN departures board for that type of destination.....Evidence suggests as you state that at the margin already assets are/have/can be redeployed....As my bit of a ramble earlier, why then has it not happened so far for SEN & how much longer might I need to wait do you think?...... (Sorry that's only rhetorical)...& certainly ya man when initially talking about up to 20 EZY units transferred I think from STN...(STN does not have 20!).. did not have in mind forays into those perhaps future neglected deeper areas of France,certainly the number crunchers @ EZY will not... Relating to your own vision & sensible lower expectations raises the question asked already is the SEN MD working with a full song sheet!?......I`m just trying to get a grip really.....When I read some SEN posts regarding niche destinations/routes into the near continent I just begin to wonder if there is perhaps too resort to the nostalgic BAF/Air Ferries/Carvair/Herald days & even earlier eras...those failed dictated by then prevailing market forces,which leads me to wondering aloud what has changed in any way for the better in subsequent decades....Waiting for successful airports to be overwhelmed & also buying an airline to operate from your own airport is not too good a plan I feel..no one else is doing it......I`m sure no one wishes to build a supermarket with higher prices next to Aldi with the reasoning that one day some years in the future Aldi will be far too busy to cope & then we may do well!!..again no one appears to be adopting the plan.....Musings really.....(slight tongue in cheek perhaps)...Time is going to tell anyway....Good luck...SS
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Have I missed something or is Stobart Aviation not more than just Southend Airport, I don't think they publish individual results for the various components of the Aviation business?
Anyway, that aside, the thing with a group the size of Stobart, sometimes a loss in division actually is what they want ... just saying.
Now, unless mr Tinkler is on here posting, then no one knows the facts, and all this 'I give it 3 years' is purely hearsay and speculation that doesn't do anyone any good in the long term ...
Anyway, that aside, the thing with a group the size of Stobart, sometimes a loss in division actually is what they want ... just saying.
Now, unless mr Tinkler is on here posting, then no one knows the facts, and all this 'I give it 3 years' is purely hearsay and speculation that doesn't do anyone any good in the long term ...
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However, only a year ago this week the Stobart executives stated "There's a pipeline of 12 serious airlines looking at Southend".
asdf1234 stated three years by his estimation, which is not a bad shout, loses are not sustainable, shareholders want results. cumbrianboy your speculation 'a loss in division actually is what they want' is incorrect and Stobart wants its Southend Airport to compete with the big London airports and to be the alternative to the likes of Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted for travellers to the capital ? Time is running out and it has been stated many times on here about the length of time LCY took to get established SEN does not enjoy that luxury!
asdf1234 stated three years by his estimation, which is not a bad shout, loses are not sustainable, shareholders want results. cumbrianboy your speculation 'a loss in division actually is what they want' is incorrect and Stobart wants its Southend Airport to compete with the big London airports and to be the alternative to the likes of Gatwick, Heathrow and Stansted for travellers to the capital ? Time is running out and it has been stated many times on here about the length of time LCY took to get established SEN does not enjoy that luxury!
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First Mahon schedule of the year departed from SEN today. Good to see that route returning.
Anyone thinking that SEN is a serious rival for STN, LCY, LGW or LTN is being rather unrealistic. I would be very surprised to see SEN's total pax figures climb above 2 million annually, but there's no reason why that should not be a viable total. SEN should be able to operate profitably and comfortably at that level with a combination of bucket and spade destinations and niche routes plus Amsterdam and, I trust, Dublin.
Anyone thinking that SEN is a serious rival for STN, LCY, LGW or LTN is being rather unrealistic. I would be very surprised to see SEN's total pax figures climb above 2 million annually, but there's no reason why that should not be a viable total. SEN should be able to operate profitably and comfortably at that level with a combination of bucket and spade destinations and niche routes plus Amsterdam and, I trust, Dublin.
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SEN will never compete with the big London airports and it will never get to 10 milion pax a year, as stated by Warwick Brady.What a lot of the moaners on here forget that before Stobart took over the airport and invested a lot of money, it was on its last legs, with just a once weekly summer only service to Jersey. If Stobart hadnt come in and no one else was willing to invest at that time, who knows but it could well have ended up as a big housing estate, with all that history of a ex world war two fighter base and once the 3rd busiest airport in the country gone forever.
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Forgive me for repeating myself but it would seem reasonable that Southend could set itself a modest target of capturing 2% of the London market leaving the big boys with the remaining 98%. 2% would give the airport around 3.7 million passengers. When numbers are looked at as a total percentage it does seem achievable.
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Rather simplistic there LTNman....2% of exactly which part of the London pie are you considering...It appears you are baking too many pies together...For instance if a rather large % of the London market is carried on say widebodies which obviously is not viable for SEN then that raises the % of the remaining single aisle London market SEN needs then to acquire to achieve your overall 2% surely?..say up to 5% but probably much more...Then even in the short haul segment as has been discussed ad nauseum here SEN is operationally limited..Great sound bite tho & leads me to hope ya man @ SEN doesn`t adopt a similar too simplistic marketing mantra.....tho he is getting paid handsomely for his output no doubt...
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When people who should know better start saying silly things such as 10 million pax p.a., no wonder scorn is liberally poured - and not just from the regular critics.
Forget about the airport itself. There's no way the surrounding area could cope with over 800,000 people per month unless the government decreed that LSA was of such strategic importance that it would fund new motorway links etc.
I'm pretty optimistic about the airport's future, however these daft statements make me ask some basic questions such as: How long has it been since a new operator chose SEN as a base / destination?
Forget about the airport itself. There's no way the surrounding area could cope with over 800,000 people per month unless the government decreed that LSA was of such strategic importance that it would fund new motorway links etc.
I'm pretty optimistic about the airport's future, however these daft statements make me ask some basic questions such as: How long has it been since a new operator chose SEN as a base / destination?
Regular passenger flights from Carlisle planned for next summer
Interesting (mis)quote? No mention of SEN flights
Interesting (mis)quote? No mention of SEN flights
Mr Tinkler pointed out that the group also owns London Southend Airport and flies almost two million people to Dublin from their under franchise agreements with Aer Lingus and Flybe.
“It should be no different for Carlisle,” he said.
“It should be no different for Carlisle,” he said.
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If anyone's interested in the Vulcan, there's a very informative post here.
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...d-airport.html
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...d-airport.html
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its about time they gave that old girl somewere nice warm and dry to live, now the restoration can be done without the volenteers getting wet....maybe one day she might even fly
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I wouldn't be too worried about the delay. I believe it is something to do with getting their new booking website up and running.
PowdAir say on their website: "A bit later than originally planned but just wait until you see why!"
PowdAir say on their website: "A bit later than originally planned but just wait until you see why!"
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EasyJet to hire 450 pilots
"Next year, easyJet will create new positions for pilots in all its bases. In the UK they will be in London Gatwick, London Luton, London Stansted, London Southend, Bristol, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, Manchester and Liverpool."