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Regarding Flybe restarting a Dublin service using E195 - anyone got a logical explanation why they are leaving it till October to restart the service. Will it not be the case they'll offer the service from October to March then begin dicking about with the roster and balls it up once again. On such a high demand route like that one, it's important Flybe address their corporate bipolar disorder.
Regarding a start date of October, perhaps a reason is that a Dublin route would hopefully work year-round with a good chunk of VFR and business traffic, unlike a route to a beach in the Mediterranean ?
I know a start date of April always makes the figures look better, but gotta use aircraft somehow in November...
I know a start date of April always makes the figures look better, but gotta use aircraft somehow in November...
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I'm intrigued by tophat27dt's claim that Wizz Air will be operating to KRK from October! That would be interesting since Wizz Air have been dodging KRK because of FR's huge presence there. However, KRK did seem to do well from SEN (although it was dropped 
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Not sure on figures, but NQY-STN seems to be performing well with daily flights in the summer, compared to 3x weekly from SEN. I think that a new SEN-NQY route might saturate the market slightly (depending on frequency), but with Brexit and more staycations, perhaps the demand is there.
Also what happened to Stobart's application for 3x daily flights to MAN? Non-starter now?
). Not sure on figures, but NQY-STN seems to be performing well with daily flights in the summer, compared to 3x weekly from SEN. I think that a new SEN-NQY route might saturate the market slightly (depending on frequency), but with Brexit and more staycations, perhaps the demand is there.
Also what happened to Stobart's application for 3x daily flights to MAN? Non-starter now?
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I did not say they would start in October to Krakow, I said we should learn more by then about dates and route(s). Discussions have been going on for several months, so until agreements are signed, and it's announced officially, it's a wait and see situation, as always.
I did not say they would start in October to Krakow, I said we should learn more by then about dates and route(s). Discussions have been going on for several months, so until agreements are signed, and it's announced officially, it's a wait and see situation, as always.
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While I would never say never I would say it would be unlikely that Wizz would have plans for Southend while they can put extra flights through Luton.
The have a single route through Gatwick and gave up on Stansted while they operate to 43 airports from Luton.
Luton seems to work well for them for some reason and with them opening a base at Ltn this year shows that is where they seem committed to.
The have a single route through Gatwick and gave up on Stansted while they operate to 43 airports from Luton.
Luton seems to work well for them for some reason and with them opening a base at Ltn this year shows that is where they seem committed to.
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I'm not sure. If and it's a big if Wizzair with BREXIT continue to grow in the UK there may come a time when thy cannot get the access they want at LTN. SEN would be a good alternative - intersection departures from LTN show that many destinations could be reached using the A320 and it avoids STN where they would battle with Ryanair. So putting a toe in the water at SEN to see how it works and strike a deal with the airport management may not be such a bad idea.
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Wizz do intersection departures from the 08 end at Luton which is around the length of runway Southend has so I can't see a technical reason why they could not put a few services through SEN if they wanted to try the airport but saying that some aircraft still do back tracks in certain weather conditions.
Slots are only really tight in the early morning but with most passengers being Eastern European many of their passengers rely on public transport particularly National Express coach services which is something Southend doesn't have. Also many passengers arrive by early train services which would also be an issue at Southend.
Worth remembering that extra slots at Luton will be created when the taxiway extension to 08 is finished which is another reason why Wizz at Southend might not happen.
Slots are only really tight in the early morning but with most passengers being Eastern European many of their passengers rely on public transport particularly National Express coach services which is something Southend doesn't have. Also many passengers arrive by early train services which would also be an issue at Southend.
Worth remembering that extra slots at Luton will be created when the taxiway extension to 08 is finished which is another reason why Wizz at Southend might not happen.
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Runway length is not really the problem, or the deciding factor in performance calculations (unless it's really short!) the issue is single engine performance during the climb, and runway 23 at SEN is restricted due to obstacles in the climb out ...
That said, an Airbus has few problems unless it's heavy or the temperatures are quite high.
That said, an Airbus has few problems unless it's heavy or the temperatures are quite high.
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I doubt very much that tophat27dt would have posted as he did if he was not pretty sure that something was going to happen. I don't think his post should receive the negativity that it has. Let's just wait now and see what transpires.
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Thanks Cumbrian Boy - had forgotten- is the Church the issue
LTNman raises a Luton issue which I will post on in that thread if not beaten by others.
We're not all negative- even some of us Lutonites who post here!
LTNman raises a Luton issue which I will post on in that thread if not beaten by others.
We're not all negative- even some of us Lutonites who post here!
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Don't see any negativity in response to tophat27dt's teaser, just opinions that his comments have sparked off.
I think that we all know that successful commercial operation of A320 aircraft is possible, so it's really a question of whether an operator such as Wizz see enough potential in LSA to consider serious negotiation with Stobart.
I've no inside knowledge of what's going on, but I'm interested in what may transpire, and always happy to read others views which help to shape my own thoughts - there's absolutely no need to 'wait and see' all the time.
I think that we all know that successful commercial operation of A320 aircraft is possible, so it's really a question of whether an operator such as Wizz see enough potential in LSA to consider serious negotiation with Stobart.
I've no inside knowledge of what's going on, but I'm interested in what may transpire, and always happy to read others views which help to shape my own thoughts - there's absolutely no need to 'wait and see' all the time.
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Don't see any negativity in response to tophat27dt's teaser, just opinions that his comments have sparked off.
I think that we all know that successful commercial operation of A320 aircraft is possible, so it's really a question of whether an operator such as Wizz see enough potential in LSA to consider serious negotiation with Stobart.
I've no inside knowledge of what's going on, but I'm interested in what may transpire, and always happy to read others views which help to shape my own thoughts - there's absolutely no need to 'wait and see' all the time.
I think that we all know that successful commercial operation of A320 aircraft is possible, so it's really a question of whether an operator such as Wizz see enough potential in LSA to consider serious negotiation with Stobart.
I've no inside knowledge of what's going on, but I'm interested in what may transpire, and always happy to read others views which help to shape my own thoughts - there's absolutely no need to 'wait and see' all the time.
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I don't know if its just me, but the website now seems to have been revised to an amalgam of the previous branding with the new. Much easier on the eye. Thank goodness feedback seems to has been listened to?!
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The welcome revisions appeared yesterday (now they just need to work on accuracy).
Do any of you sense that the 'top brass' at Stobart seem to throw their weight around? Clearly, someone was charged with the new corporate branding project, and somebody believed they were senior enough to sign it off. So is this an example of a close-knit management prepared to listen and acknowledge mistakes? Or maybe someone being forced into an embarrassing U-turn?
Do any of you sense that the 'top brass' at Stobart seem to throw their weight around? Clearly, someone was charged with the new corporate branding project, and somebody believed they were senior enough to sign it off. So is this an example of a close-knit management prepared to listen and acknowledge mistakes? Or maybe someone being forced into an embarrassing U-turn?
22/04 - As a minor technical point, its not the church that creates the issue for single engine climb performance off RW23, but the rising terrain and other obstacles such as trees to the south west of the airport.
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It is worth making the point then that when aircraft depart Luton at either end it is like launching off an aircraft carrier as the land drops away at either end into two valleys.