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I think I suggested before that many of these holiday destinations will have been at least optioned by a specialist tour operator. It may be that they have pulled out.
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Often it's the case that companies want bespoke facilities, and not the older units elsewhere which may be too small/big, not energy efficient enough, wrong location etc. Also weren't there plans years ago for a larger northern maintenance zone with new stands and hangars?
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If Southend was truly and attractive proposition then I'd imagine the airlines would be flocking there.
Perhaps give it a few years until the airports really max out?
I can't help but think that Southend is struggling due to lack of market, you can blaim management all you like but if it's not producing the yields for the routes that are established then you know the problem.
Perhaps give it a few years until the airports really max out?
I can't help but think that Southend is struggling due to lack of market, you can blaim management all you like but if it's not producing the yields for the routes that are established then you know the problem.
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CPO lands at end of RWY06 extend, dip Southend Rd beneath RWY will present config options to flight ops planners at other airlines. Attracting flexibility for other a/c type.
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Malta's popularity as a holiday destination has also fallen out of fashion. You only need to look on travel agent's reservation systems last minute during school holiday dates to find it often still available, pretty much the only place available to book.
The market for Malta has changed considerably in the last 40 years.
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No comment from me on this little gem!
Southend Airport could get its own train service run by the airport (From Echo)
Southend Airport could get its own train service run by the airport (From Echo)
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I thought Glyn Jones was a serious man. This will never happen. It's possible Abellio's timetable could change to run a slightly later westbound to connect with Crossrail at Shenfield, but that's about it.
If a later London bound service is needed then it will have to be by road. The National Express coach service didn't last long, but road is the only realistic option.
If you can't keep a coach service going what's the point in discussing running your own train?
I thought Glyn Jones was a serious man. This will never happen. It's possible Abellio's timetable could change to run a slightly later westbound to connect with Crossrail at Shenfield, but that's about it.
If a later London bound service is needed then it will have to be by road. The National Express coach service didn't last long, but road is the only realistic option.
If you can't keep a coach service going what's the point in discussing running your own train?
I wonder if that story isn't being released in part as a means of putting pressure on Greater Anglia to commence earlier and later trains, as they committed to in their announcement when the new franchise was awarded last Autumn.
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They will stick to the letter of the franchise agreement. If the agreement did not specify early and late trains they will not operate them as it would be a cost to the business.
As for Stobart operating its own airport service why not go the full hog and run them non stop after they have got Network Rail to add some extra tracks.
As for Stobart operating its own airport service why not go the full hog and run them non stop after they have got Network Rail to add some extra tracks.
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If SEN manages to get to 5 million ppa, they can always add an additional platform at the station so an express service could run. The Stansted Express works fine sharing commuter tracks so I see no reason why a Southend Airport direct service couldn't be feasible in the long term future.
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Does the Stansted Express share commuter track or does it have its own one?
The problem with a Southend Express is that the service on that line is already pretty frequent. It would soon catch up with a stopping service so it wouldn't be too 'express'. Also at Shenfield it then merges into the Mainline and there is basically no more capacity.
I'm not sure if the Anglia Mainline is franchised as a whole or whether you can bid for bits of it. If the Southend Victoria line on its own was up for grabs certainly Stobart could bid and then run trains whenever they want. Or they could even bid for the whole lot!
The problem with a Southend Express is that the service on that line is already pretty frequent. It would soon catch up with a stopping service so it wouldn't be too 'express'. Also at Shenfield it then merges into the Mainline and there is basically no more capacity.
I'm not sure if the Anglia Mainline is franchised as a whole or whether you can bid for bits of it. If the Southend Victoria line on its own was up for grabs certainly Stobart could bid and then run trains whenever they want. Or they could even bid for the whole lot!
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There is no way on earth that Stobart could run an airport express service to London. For a start there doesn't appear to be a pair of fast running lines to and from London and Southend with even 5 million passengers would not generate enough passengers for a non stop train service to be viable as only a fraction of those passengers would want rail travel to Liverpool Steet.
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Just what I was thinking DT, perhaps mik is considering a ground zero level mosque to replace said church. Oh for the days when Sarfend was a proper job aerodrome, inhabited by the likes of Jerry Lee, Ladislav Marmol, Keegan , Jack Jones and of course Sir Freddie Laker etc
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We'll find out; Stobart are doing all the right things to either demonstrate that it's viable or find out that it's not.
Unless Brexit really screws things up I suspect they will win in at least the medium term, unless Heathrow runway 3 appears we will need the capacity, and it won't get planning permission until 2148 at the earliest...
Unless Brexit really screws things up I suspect they will win in at least the medium term, unless Heathrow runway 3 appears we will need the capacity, and it won't get planning permission until 2148 at the earliest...
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While Southend usually has good reviews, unlike my local airport which always seems to score 1 star
there really is no excuse why these foreign national women should be kicked out of the terminal in the middle of the night.
So why does the terminal close at around midnight? I can't believe the terminal has no security staff working overnight. While Stobart might be frustrated at the early and late train situation they have full control over their terminal so it is rediculas that they just force people to wait outside.
This from Vicky Wei who seems to be a Chinese national.
there really is no excuse why these foreign national women should be kicked out of the terminal in the middle of the night. So why does the terminal close at around midnight? I can't believe the terminal has no security staff working overnight. While Stobart might be frustrated at the early and late train situation they have full control over their terminal so it is rediculas that they just force people to wait outside.
This from Vicky Wei who seems to be a Chinese national.
OK I must update this.
Me and my friends fly all the way back from Barcelona to UK just now and expected to stay overnight at the airport for the next day earliest bus to go back home.
This is what happening now. We got kicked out from the airport, and they claimed their selves as private property with the operating hour end at 12am.
Let me tell you what is the temperature now. It is 2 degree Celsius outside. So the airport is expecting us to wait outside, stand in the cold and freeze till die? I am not letting this happen man.
I searched their website and try to find their operating hour but there is nothing there, not even in the terms and conditions.
At the end they called police to be here. OK, police told us that we can stay at the train terminal, or the nearest hotel lobby. So all of us moved.
What happen next? Hahaha. The train terminal is closed and the hotel officer just refused to let us in. Disgusting.
The police drives through us like nothing happen although one of my friend tried to stop it. #whatashame
I went to the nearest McD intended to buy drinks, however, at this time, only drive thru available, the worker there refused to sell us drinks just because I wasn't in the car. This is ridiculous! But fortunately, someone saw us on the street and offer us to hop on his car for the drinks.
And also, there is another kind and wise women with me and help me argue and defense our rights here.
So guys, no Southend airport for night flights, and I am going to make complaints about this sh!ts.
Me and my friends fly all the way back from Barcelona to UK just now and expected to stay overnight at the airport for the next day earliest bus to go back home.
This is what happening now. We got kicked out from the airport, and they claimed their selves as private property with the operating hour end at 12am.
Let me tell you what is the temperature now. It is 2 degree Celsius outside. So the airport is expecting us to wait outside, stand in the cold and freeze till die? I am not letting this happen man.
I searched their website and try to find their operating hour but there is nothing there, not even in the terms and conditions.
At the end they called police to be here. OK, police told us that we can stay at the train terminal, or the nearest hotel lobby. So all of us moved.
What happen next? Hahaha. The train terminal is closed and the hotel officer just refused to let us in. Disgusting.
The police drives through us like nothing happen although one of my friend tried to stop it. #whatashame
I went to the nearest McD intended to buy drinks, however, at this time, only drive thru available, the worker there refused to sell us drinks just because I wasn't in the car. This is ridiculous! But fortunately, someone saw us on the street and offer us to hop on his car for the drinks.
And also, there is another kind and wise women with me and help me argue and defense our rights here.
So guys, no Southend airport for night flights, and I am going to make complaints about this sh!ts.
Dear all, thanks for all the comments. Maybe i was a bit of out of information but as i traveled so far, all airports that i have been, they are opened 24 hours, except for this Southend airport. Take into account that i am not British, i am a foreigner, and it is reasonable for me to assume the airport is on 24 hours basis, and as well as there is quite a number of British were facing exactly the same problem as me, they had no idea about the operating time as well.
I am not sure whether you all have been a backpacker or not, but to be honest, sleep in the airport is a very normal thing for us and i don't see a mistake for me to assume this airport is having the same service as other airports.
Yes, as i know there is only one hotel nearby and the hotel don't allow us to stay in the lobby, or get a room urgently.
Thanks and cheers!
I am not sure whether you all have been a backpacker or not, but to be honest, sleep in the airport is a very normal thing for us and i don't see a mistake for me to assume this airport is having the same service as other airports.
Yes, as i know there is only one hotel nearby and the hotel don't allow us to stay in the lobby, or get a room urgently.
Thanks and cheers!
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opening up 24 hrs people sleeping on the floor and it ends up looking like a doss house,all the down and outs/homeless will make a b line for it ....and end up like STANSTED, a lot of the sleepers there arnt flying anywere just coming in out of the cold