Potential impact of Scottish independence on flights from Scotland
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Working across the present UK I am picking up that there appears to be four distinct lines on thought on independence in Scotland. 1. Actually no thought because a lot of folk havent got a clue as to what is happening. 2. Those who disbelieve that such a thing can ever be considered because the UK is wonderful. 3. Those who are starting to wake up to what is happening and are now **** scared that major revenues from oil and whisky will disappear and that nuclear weapons may appear on their doorstep. 4. Those who are also concerned that with Scotland potentially going out on its own then with the loss of independent and labour MPs at Westminster then it could be another term of the Tories or even UKIP.
Despite Gutsy Orange's polls it is going to be very close come September 18th. Expect Better Together to accelerate Project Fear and then back down with major concessions close to the 18th. Devo-Max is a distinct possibility and Mr Salmond will be disappointed at not getting full independence but he will happy all the same as this is what he wished for all along. If he gets Devo-Max then provided this works for Scotland there will be a push for another Independence vote in a few year's time.
Now back to aviation. In fact this thread isn't really going anywhere and is just providing a forum for a series of irrational, uninformed, blinkered and bigoted rants. Mods - over to you.
Despite Gutsy Orange's polls it is going to be very close come September 18th. Expect Better Together to accelerate Project Fear and then back down with major concessions close to the 18th. Devo-Max is a distinct possibility and Mr Salmond will be disappointed at not getting full independence but he will happy all the same as this is what he wished for all along. If he gets Devo-Max then provided this works for Scotland there will be a push for another Independence vote in a few year's time.
Now back to aviation. In fact this thread isn't really going anywhere and is just providing a forum for a series of irrational, uninformed, blinkered and bigoted rants. Mods - over to you.
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I think you are looking at this from a very pro YES camp, hence "over to MOD = shut down debate
Alex Salmonds big mistake was not getting the rUK to have a say, most are at best are indifferent, whilst a large minority are praying the Scots vote yes, whilst I'm not in this last camp by a long way, i'm really not, the argument runs that the YES camp north of the border are a bunch of bigoted anti English mob and an ungrateful to boot for the stability that being part of the union has brought, good times and bad.
Scotland's demographic is left of centre, hence the hatred of all things Tory and will likely move in a socialist direct post a YES vote, nothing wrong with that, many successful countries such has Norway & Finland have been left of centre for many years, but they have highly educated populations with a good work ethic, very high health standards, i was in Helsinki last week and trying to explain what the attraction of a deep fried Mar's bar was, they didn't get? seriously they thought i was kidding them, of course these Countries have their own social problems with drugs and alcohol.
Its worth remembering that Norway's average wage is 3 times greater than the UK at around $75.000 and probably nearer to 4 time the Scottish average.
Personally I'm indifferent, it really is a matter for the Scottish people and I'm sure that James Bond's endorsement will sway many, remind me where he live's? looking forward to Mel Gibson re runs of Braveheart in the weeks to come.
Actually probably is time for the MODS to put this in humour section
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Alex Salmonds big mistake was not getting the rUK to have a say, most are at best are indifferent, whilst a large minority are praying the Scots vote yes, whilst I'm not in this last camp by a long way, i'm really not, the argument runs that the YES camp north of the border are a bunch of bigoted anti English mob and an ungrateful to boot for the stability that being part of the union has brought, good times and bad.
Scotland's demographic is left of centre, hence the hatred of all things Tory and will likely move in a socialist direct post a YES vote, nothing wrong with that, many successful countries such has Norway & Finland have been left of centre for many years, but they have highly educated populations with a good work ethic, very high health standards, i was in Helsinki last week and trying to explain what the attraction of a deep fried Mar's bar was, they didn't get? seriously they thought i was kidding them, of course these Countries have their own social problems with drugs and alcohol.
Its worth remembering that Norway's average wage is 3 times greater than the UK at around $75.000 and probably nearer to 4 time the Scottish average.
Personally I'm indifferent, it really is a matter for the Scottish people and I'm sure that James Bond's endorsement will sway many, remind me where he live's? looking forward to Mel Gibson re runs of Braveheart in the weeks to come.
Actually probably is time for the MODS to put this in humour section
Love the smell of fear post LNIDA
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Facelookbovvered - you make a huge assumption around my looking at it from a very pro -YES perspective. I am actually undecided and will continue to look at the facts presented by both sides. At the moment its 'Vision without the full facts' v 'Negativity , Scaremongering & the Status Quo'. I'll vote for what's best for Scotland's future. Maybe the thread is best in the humour section if only for the hilarious & ludicrous comments made by some of the posters.
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Any chance of this section getting back to 'Airlines, Airports and Routes?'
There are innumerable other forums where the merits and demerits of Scottish independence can be considered.
There are innumerable other forums where the merits and demerits of Scottish independence can be considered.
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Any chance of this section getting back to 'Airlines, Airports and Routes?'
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one thing that might improve things for the airlines is that I can't see the rUk Govt spending a fortune upgrading rail lines (or roads either) to Carlisle and Berwick if the Scots leave
I'd have thought that subsidies to the Rail Companies will also stop at the new/old border
I'd have thought that subsidies to the Rail Companies will also stop at the new/old border
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Northern Britain will do the sensible thing and remain part of the Union that has served all of us so well over the centuries.
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OK, here's a question or two. Right now, Scottish flights to and from the EU and EEA are covered under Open Skies - those to other countries are specified in the BASAs.
(a) What happens to the current EU/EEA flights if Scotland leaves the Union, and the rest of the EU says 'no thanks' - is there going to have to be some serious drafting going on in the wee hours in Edinburgh? Would they have one BASA or one for each contracting state? Lawyers' paradise....
(b) What about the non EU/EEA flights - I bet the BASAs refer to UK flights; if they are no longer part of the UK, then does rUK take over the rights? What will Scotland do??
Fun and games ahead, perhaps
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(a) What happens to the current EU/EEA flights if Scotland leaves the Union, and the rest of the EU says 'no thanks' - is there going to have to be some serious drafting going on in the wee hours in Edinburgh? Would they have one BASA or one for each contracting state? Lawyers' paradise....
(b) What about the non EU/EEA flights - I bet the BASAs refer to UK flights; if they are no longer part of the UK, then does rUK take over the rights? What will Scotland do??
Fun and games ahead, perhaps
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The boy's a complete fantasist. This statement is utter drivel:
"37% of our business comes from England and we would not be able to trade outwith Scotland due to Scotland being outwith the EU and English regulations for at least three years."
"37% of our business comes from England and we would not be able to trade outwith Scotland due to Scotland being outwith the EU and English regulations for at least three years."
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With respect perthsaint, this man has created Scotland's largest travel business. He is in a far more informed position to comment on this than many people, including, dare I say, yourself.
Then again, the typical response to facts from SNP followers is to stick their fingers in their ears and shout as much personal abuse as possible to drown out the facts. As has been proven again today. Embarrassing for Scotland.
Then again, the typical response to facts from SNP followers is to stick their fingers in their ears and shout as much personal abuse as possible to drown out the facts. As has been proven again today. Embarrassing for Scotland.
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I'd say the CEO of a company saying 37% of his companies business comes from England is a good enough source.
Nobody knows Barrhead Travel better than its founder and current chairman. Unless you are claiming to know better?
Nobody knows Barrhead Travel better than its founder and current chairman. Unless you are claiming to know better?
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The cybernats are almost religious in their fervour, in the idea that swapping one group of politicians for an even less able group will make an enormous difference. A true believer does not have an open mind and anyone who disagrees is the enemy. It's kinda disturbing as an exile Scot to see how much more nationalist and wee my own country is becoming. The dearth of talent in the Scottish Parliament is frightening. Take away the bigger hitter(s?) like Salmond and what's left? Lamentable Lamont and Ruth "pay for your prescriptions" Davidson are pygmies compared to the First Minister and I am not a Scottish Nat, far from it.
Darian anyone?
Darian anyone?
