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I think they have another 15 A320ceo arriving this year, mostly replacing older A319's, next year the A320neo start arriving, maybe we will see a bigger push from W16 into S17 of more expanding routes - but with more W patterns due to overnight stands & slot restrictions -BTW when do stands 16 -17 become available from Signature?
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It was supposed to be August this year although I don't know it that date will move. On the plans it is called the Western Apron and will contain 4 stands after it has been made ever so slightly wider so say 3 stands at the moment.
Also the stand markings on the hangar line as being changed to put an extra stand on there too.
Don't forget though that 2 stands have been closed for temporary builders compounds so will be closed until 2017.
Also the stand markings on the hangar line as being changed to put an extra stand on there too.
Don't forget though that 2 stands have been closed for temporary builders compounds so will be closed until 2017.
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Easyjet are an extremely prudent airline, they are very focussed on the shareholder and returns. They usually do not start large battles unless they are confident that they can win. They will shift capacity rather than get into a blood bath and lose money. They will pick on smaller rivals to wipe them out, like AerLingus at Gatwick, but with Norwegian who have lower costs, they take a wait and see approach.
The truth is the level of competition has significantly intensified. Ryanair are going onto many busy routes that are long standing busy easyJet routes eg STN to EDI and GLA. The two have coexisted on many routes and got on with it but FR are going into routes at busy bases like MXP, starting at Belfast etc etc. Vueling are very clearly intent on making a ply for easyJet territory. In a show of strength easyJet has to make an investment to deter Vueling. EasyJet technically should be adding lots of capacity at LTN to fill the gaps, otherwise Vueling week be all over it in no time...
The truth is the level of competition has significantly intensified. Ryanair are going onto many busy routes that are long standing busy easyJet routes eg STN to EDI and GLA. The two have coexisted on many routes and got on with it but FR are going into routes at busy bases like MXP, starting at Belfast etc etc. Vueling are very clearly intent on making a ply for easyJet territory. In a show of strength easyJet has to make an investment to deter Vueling. EasyJet technically should be adding lots of capacity at LTN to fill the gaps, otherwise Vueling week be all over it in no time...
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I think the point we are making EI-BUD is that EZY has fewer places to 'hide' now, so just shifting capacity isn't going to be that 'easy'.
FR has now got to the size it can almost pick and choose where they want to fly (look at the recent expansion in Germany for example) - and also have the product to go up against them (they are lacking slots in Paris though which is the one big hole in their network).
VY are looking strong as well, and have the growth to really challenge EZY in a number of their core markets - UK, Spain, France especially.
FR has now got to the size it can almost pick and choose where they want to fly (look at the recent expansion in Germany for example) - and also have the product to go up against them (they are lacking slots in Paris though which is the one big hole in their network).
VY are looking strong as well, and have the growth to really challenge EZY in a number of their core markets - UK, Spain, France especially.
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I think the point we are making EI-BUD is that EZY has fewer places to 'hide' now
From this Winter FR will be the biggest airline in SXF. Considering last summer they didn't even have a base there, operating a few flights a week on about five or six routes, and of course with it being a major, long standing base for EZY... It's incredible really! They even look set to over take EZY in HAM as well at the drop of a hat.
How many aircraft to EZY base in SXF? 8, 9, 10... more?? We are not talking a small base. They've got two choices...
1) Stay put, fight their ground and try to claw back their long established dominance... maintain a rigorous, comprehensive schedule / route network that will really challenge FR's aggressive, competitive move.
2) Move these aircraft elsewhere to a less competitive environment, weaken their strong network in SXF and let the competition take all the traffic they want... then most likely still find them knocking on the door six or twelve months down the line.
To me the FCO base closure was a bit ludicrous. VY were by far and wide the largest competition to EZY there and EZY demonstrated weakness. Is it any wonder why they could be seen as an easier target for VY? Plus the fact they've closed bases at both MAD and FCO in only a few years, doesn't really sit well with their claims of serving the primary airports.
IB A330 and few others, spread over the days. Will be busy outbound after the game.
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There have/will been 4 Vueling flights to Luton today, due to the football match on Tuesday. Here are the schedules:
BCN 09:10 - 10:15 LTN 320
LTN 11:00 - 14:00 BCN 320
BCN 13:15 - 14:30 LTN 320
LTN 15:25 - 18:25 BCN 320
BCN 14:00 - 15:15 LTN 320
LTN 16:00 - 19:00 BCN 320
BCN 15:40 - 16:45 LTN 320
LTN 17:40 - 20:45 BCN 320
I'm guessing these flights would be empty outbound?
BCN 09:10 - 10:15 LTN 320
LTN 11:00 - 14:00 BCN 320
BCN 13:15 - 14:30 LTN 320
LTN 15:25 - 18:25 BCN 320
BCN 14:00 - 15:15 LTN 320
LTN 16:00 - 19:00 BCN 320
BCN 15:40 - 16:45 LTN 320
LTN 17:40 - 20:45 BCN 320
I'm guessing these flights would be empty outbound?
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Let's just assume for a moment that the EU referendum result is for the UK to leave.
What are the implications such circumstances for LTN, in particular the extensive Wizz operation?
What are the implications such circumstances for LTN, in particular the extensive Wizz operation?
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wallp my view is that it will curtail any further expansion from Wizz, unless they started becoming a true pan-European airline flying in from Spain, Italy etc.
There are significant numbers of migrants already here who (along with friends and family) will want to fly back and forth so a big market will remain, but with it almost certain to become much more difficult to move here if we left the EU I could see frequency reductions on existing routes and a halt to any new routes coming forward.
There may be other impacts too, for example FR may find that they can no longer fly UK-Morocco.
There are significant numbers of migrants already here who (along with friends and family) will want to fly back and forth so a big market will remain, but with it almost certain to become much more difficult to move here if we left the EU I could see frequency reductions on existing routes and a halt to any new routes coming forward.
There may be other impacts too, for example FR may find that they can no longer fly UK-Morocco.
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May I ask where this is written please or just conjecture? but with it almost certain to become much more difficult to move here if we left the EU
Frankly I doubt if anyone at this stage can say that with any degree of certainty.
Frankly I doubt if anyone at this stage can say that with any degree of certainty.
Before we get moved to Jet Blast, isn't one of the main reasons for the discontent with the EU the number of migrants from Eastern Europe? It would be surprising if we left the EU that there wouldn't be restrictions on the free entry to the UK for EU citizens other than as tourists .
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Well as I wander around the airport in the winter months it seems that almost every passenger is Eastern European for large parts of the day. Luton has done well out of migration as has Wizz, Tarom and Blue Air which are basically migrant airlines bringing migrants and their families to and from Luton.
I have no doubts that if the UK remains in the EU then the likes of Wizz will just bring more and more Eastern Europeans into Luton as the demand will not stop or even slow down. Even if we come out the Genie is out of the bottle so no doubt more dependents will follow but at a slower rate.
What is good for Luton is not necessarily good for the UK.
I have no doubts that if the UK remains in the EU then the likes of Wizz will just bring more and more Eastern Europeans into Luton as the demand will not stop or even slow down. Even if we come out the Genie is out of the bottle so no doubt more dependents will follow but at a slower rate.
What is good for Luton is not necessarily good for the UK.
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I never said it was likely or unlikely.
Buster the Bear, I am merely playing the 'what if' scenario to gauge opinions on the effect that the UK outside the EU might have on operations at LTN.
Buster the Bear, I am merely playing the 'what if' scenario to gauge opinions on the effect that the UK outside the EU might have on operations at LTN.
Spare a thought for airport traffic anaylsts and forecasters across the UK right now as everyone of them will be facing that question tomorrow morning if they are not already - driven by panicking shareholders demanding answers that no one can give..!
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I wonder about the future position of Easyjet with its various operating bases throughout the EU serving internal and other EU countries. Would they be affected if we leave the EU? Ryanair would be left with a clear field, protected by its EU status.
