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what is the future of the BY /TUI hangar, I always thought it may eventually go to another TUI site in mainland Europe.
Wonder if its owned or leased and if LTN would get more income from alternative land use as it has a big footprint
Wonder if its owned or leased and if LTN would get more income from alternative land use as it has a big footprint
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The original hangar was built by Luton Corporation. Not sure about the situation now regarding ownership but I would think the land at least is leasehold.
Aviation House, which is on the junction of Provost Way and Percival Way, is going to be knocked down soon with the land turned into around 80 car parking spaces. None of the existing tenants are aviation related but the cafe will remain on site after moving into a trailer which will be placed in the car park.
Aviation House, which is on the junction of Provost Way and Percival Way, is going to be knocked down soon with the land turned into around 80 car parking spaces. None of the existing tenants are aviation related but the cafe will remain on site after moving into a trailer which will be placed in the car park.
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It is use all the time with all types around the TUI fleet, even the Dreamliners come for work so a doubt they would get rid of it and the skilled workforce know Boeing's inside out (excluding the Corsair jumbos!)
Many a good friend started their aviation career through those doors or the now EZY hangar opposite!
Many a good friend started their aviation career through those doors or the now EZY hangar opposite!
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Am I correct in thinking that the 787-9 is too big to fit in the Hangar at LTN?
If this is so then a decision may be made to move all Dreamliner maintenance to one location, probably in Europe as VickersViscount has stated.
LTN maintenance will continue until the group decides otherwise.
Am I correct in thinking that the 787-9 is too big to fit in the Hangar at LTN?
If this is so then a decision may be made to move all Dreamliner maintenance to one location, probably in Europe as VickersViscount has stated.
LTN maintenance will continue until the group decides otherwise.
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And to get the B789 to the hangar, the B788 has to get towed anyhow. With only 1 in service and a couple more coming then these might go somewhere else. Options on alot more B788 or maybe a green field site by run-up bay? They will be busy enough when all the B73-Max start arriving replacing the B738 & B757's for 20 years yet!
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A lot of investment and upgrade work has gone on in recent years and this winter will see it at its busiest ever with a lot of 787 checks. The 787-9 will indeed not fit....luck played its part with the 787-8 fitting (as the hangar was obviously originally designed around the 767)
The biggest issue now is trying to co-ordinate stands and hangar movements with the airport (with the current lack of parking tarmac things are very different to a few years back!)
A lot of investment and upgrade work has gone on in recent years and this winter will see it at its busiest ever with a lot of 787 checks. The 787-9 will indeed not fit....luck played its part with the 787-8 fitting (as the hangar was obviously originally designed around the 767)
The biggest issue now is trying to co-ordinate stands and hangar movements with the airport (with the current lack of parking tarmac things are very different to a few years back!)
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I'm no expert but taxiway holding for departure on 26 can hold alot more than 08, if you have 5 or 6 waiting for 08 it soon backs into the terminal area, thus I suspect why this is more urgent, but willing to be corrected.
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That's reasonable. I was thinking about more from an operators (fuel/flex), as opposed to the airport, point of view. But you'd only get the benefit at the 08 end for 10-20% of the time whereas you'd get the flexibility at 26 (two holding points) earlier for significantly more movements....surely increased runway utilisation earlier (by 2 years) is the priority?
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Agree with pabely. Also the take-off figures from Alpha intersection on 26 are more than Bravo on 08 which possibly means less aircraft require to back track when using 26 so the waiting time in the queue may not be be as long.
Also if the taxiway was extended west towards 08 then this would give another runway exit taxiway beyond Bravo perhaps allowing ATC to consider reducing the arrival spacing
on 26 knowing a back track to vacate at Bravo is not required.
Also if the taxiway was extended west towards 08 then this would give another runway exit taxiway beyond Bravo perhaps allowing ATC to consider reducing the arrival spacing
on 26 knowing a back track to vacate at Bravo is not required.
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Both intersections are pretty limiting takeoff performance wise. From memory 1770m from A and 1690m from B - so not much in it. I think missing B to vacate is a pretty rare event (because you know you'll have to backtrack) - if aircraft continue to the new "D" exit that would reduce flow slightly due to increased runway occupancy compared to now.
I just think doing the 26 extension first will provide greater benefit sooner
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I just think doing the 26 extension first will provide greater benefit sooner
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Runway 26 intersection TORA is 1771m while 08 is 1688m. As answered above the reason 08 taxiway is being extended first is that it only takes 3 holding aircraft to block the intersection so reducing taxing options to and from the aprons. At the moment an aircraft landing on 26 will often be routed either down Alpha 7 to the main apron and then Echo if required or via Delta for the northern and eastern aprons. When 08 is in use often the intersection is blocked so everything has to go via Delta.
Also more aircraft backtrack for 08 than 26 so the runway rate is reduced.
Also more aircraft backtrack for 08 than 26 so the runway rate is reduced.
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I was always under the impression that the prevailing winds were 2/3rds 26 and 1/3rd 08.
The major issue is traffic blocking the taxiways when 08 is in use and holding for departure. Add into the equation the slightly larger 'gap' required between arrivals to facilitate a backtrack. If you get into LVPs the problems on 08 are only exaggerated!
RETs at both ends would certainly help to keep the movements flowing, but the LTMA would not cope under current airspace usage!
The major issue is traffic blocking the taxiways when 08 is in use and holding for departure. Add into the equation the slightly larger 'gap' required between arrivals to facilitate a backtrack. If you get into LVPs the problems on 08 are only exaggerated!
RETs at both ends would certainly help to keep the movements flowing, but the LTMA would not cope under current airspace usage!
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Wow, I wasn't expecting that this week. I wonder how they put up the span that crossed the road without affecting the traffic to the drop off area and car park.
It look like phase 2 of the drop off area is nearly finished just as the school holidays are about to end. Eventually phase 3 will pass under the bridge.
It look like phase 2 of the drop off area is nearly finished just as the school holidays are about to end. Eventually phase 3 will pass under the bridge.