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Old 16th Jul 2017, 15:03
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Clearly do! I have just specificed that the 737-800 took the direct route. Re-read my post!

MR@Spotty made the mistake, saying the 738 has no ETOPs, clearly meaning the 737-800 MAX.
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 15:09
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Originally Posted by owenc
Clearly do! Just specificed that the 737-800 took the direct route. Re-read my post!

It's the other poster who made the mistake, saying the 738 has etops 60, obviously meaning the 737-800 MAX.
To be Clear, the B737-8 is the new aircraft, B737-800 is the old, in the terminology used in the post above.

It was never said that the 737-800 has ETOPS 60, (which isn't the official term anyway, although it is used).
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 15:11
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I fly twice a month, I think I know what the 737-800 is!

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Old 16th Jul 2017, 18:21
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The contrast on FR tonight between the routes being taken from EDI by the MAX (NW towards Iceland) and the -800 (due west) is quite dramatic!
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 21:00
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I did not make a mistake, l know what l am talking about, l have had dealings with the B737 for 45 years.
I stated that the B737-8 which is the B737 Max does not have EDTO (ETOPS) type approval.
The B737-800 does have EDTO type approval and Norwegian have approval from EASA to operate it as such.
AerRyan, thank you for coming to my defence.
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 21:34
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https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press...certification/

This was confirmed at Paris. Presumably just a matter of time until manufacturer and airline certification follows?
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
I did not make a mistake, l know what l am talking about, l have had dealings with the B737 for 45 years.
I stated that the B737-8 which is the B737 Max does not have EDTO (ETOPS) type approval.
The B737-800 does have EDTO type approval and Norwegian have approval from EASA to operate it as such.
AerRyan, thank you for coming to my defence.
The B737-8 is not the 737-800 MAX.
It is the B38M.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICAO_aircraft_type_designators
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Old 16th Jul 2017, 22:16
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Originally Posted by owenc
The B737-8 is not the 737-800 MAX.
It is the B38M.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICAO_aircraft_type_designators
Sorry I'm with the other guys - the 737-800 is the current NG version whereas the 737-8 is the new MAX version.

The aircraft designations are on the back of the Norwegian aircraft as per the tweet below where it's actually called the 737 MAX 8 and the adjacent NG is 737-800.

https://twitter.com/edi_airport/stat...24687680974848

It's all Boeing's fault for making it so confusing
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Old 17th Jul 2017, 05:26
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You are correct in that the ICAO type designator for the Max is B38M, however you typically see that used within travel booking engines.
That is not what is listed on the aircraft type certificate, which for the B737-800 is 737-800 series and the max is 737-8.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 07:02
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Last night 1 Norwegian cancelled to Dublin and an Edinburgh and Bergen flight stopping off at Shannon on the way ... things look a tad operationally challenging for the airlines new routes TA on 737?
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 08:35
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NG -V-MAX

EI-BUD

In a nutshell what we are seeing is the 'old' aircraft 'NG' with 180 min ETOPS verse the 'new' aircraft 'MAX' without ETOPS

The plan was the MAX with ETOPS but that is unlikely before the late Autumn

So in broad terms the max can do the same city pairs without ETOPS that the NG can do with ETOPS, so with unfavourable HWC both may have to stop en route for fuel. West bound loads seem to be capped at around 150 which is normal practice for Norwegian on its very long flights (TOS-LPA & DBX-OSL)

Norwegian have 4 MAX's delivered with two in revenue service and the other two due in service in the next few days.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 09:05
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Just noticed that one part of the Norwegian empire ( NAX ) has Privilege Style's B752 EC-HDS on lease since the start of July, operating out of Stockholm. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/echds
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 10:53
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Why did the Eastbound flight to Edinburgh divert to Shannon?
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 09:24
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Last night's MAX service from Stewart to EDI was cancelled. ?tech. The West bound service operated.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 11:30
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The correct designation of the two variants are I believe

737-800 = 738
737 MAX -800 = 7M8
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 11:55
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Last night's MAX service from Stewart to EDI was cancelled. ?tech. The West bound service operated.
They swap aircraft in NY, outbound aircraft went to BFS which was delayed over 4 hours while the outbound from DUB was delayed by 4 hours it should of went to EDI bud didn't.

Last nights flight to DUB was also delayed over 4 hours like BFS as well.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 12:02
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Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
They swap aircraft in NY, outbound aircraft went to BFS which was delayed over 4 hours while the outbound from DUB was delayed by 4 hours it should of went to EDI bud didn't.

Last nights flight to DUB was also delayed over 4 hours like BFS as well.
They need to get these transatlantic B737 ops under control pretty damn quickly. The entire venture is surely a bit of a financial basketcase at the minute.

If the 2x inbound today are full; 378 x €600 for delay compensation coupled with giveaway fares is not going to be nice on the balance sheet (approx -€226,000?)

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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 16:32
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I think lots warned this could turn into a shambles, too many routes from too many airports at once with brand new untested aircraft....
Im surprised theres not more publicity about this ... if it had been BA!!!
I think id be getting twitchy now if I had any bookings on these routes... Perhaps big bad legacy not as bad as first thought.
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 16:56
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Indeed. Big bad inefficient, total rip off Legacy!

And, unless I've been sleeping in, I've yet to hear of Norwegian violently trailing any fare paying passengers off the aircraft in order to enable one of their own crew to fly in their seat!!
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Old 22nd Jul 2017, 17:26
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Originally Posted by Cozy F

And, unless I've been sleeping in, I've yet to hear of Norwegian violently trailing any fare paying passengers off the aircraft in order to enable one of their own crew to fly in their seat!!
So as to get a crew to another aircraft full of stranded pax. Remove 1 person from 1 aircraft so as to get a few hundred others to their destination
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