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All their RR powered 772s will be reconfigured to a standaed 3-class layout with 10 abreast in economy. The LGW GE powered fleet will all also receive a new layout and 10 abreast economy. The remaining GE powered 777s with First class dont currently exist as part of the plan along with rhe 777-300a. These aircraft all have the current "newer" BA interior.
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Everyone else has gone or is going 10 abreast on the B77W, BA would therefore be at a clear competitive disadvantage if they did not as there is no business case that people would pay enough of a premium to fly a 9-abreast BA product to make it worth keeping versus the competition.
The 10-abreast back in the late 20th century was long before the coming of new lightweight seats and so was remarkably inferior. It's the new norm as prices continue to remain low and if you want to experience proper service like we all remember in Economy of old, then we need to pony up for Premium Economy and pay the market rate.
The 10-abreast back in the late 20th century was long before the coming of new lightweight seats and so was remarkably inferior. It's the new norm as prices continue to remain low and if you want to experience proper service like we all remember in Economy of old, then we need to pony up for Premium Economy and pay the market rate.
Last edited by Skipness One Echo; 4th Nov 2016 at 17:59. Reason: I meant "disadvantage" !
The new BA CEO Alex Cruz is a cheap and nasty disciple ex Vuelling .
But as long as people book airline seats on price alone then this view will prevail.
Where he does have a problem with is the reservations system which he ahs had doctored so it looks like Ryan or Easy with additional sales opportunites after every step -rent a car, hotel, choose seats and so it is rumoured these are behinfd the numerous crashes and slowdowns it has. Some on a large scale that hit the headlines but most on a individual level but far far too frequently just messing up peoples bookings.
However his strategy is to get rid of anyone with experience as they are expensive. A sort of devils management exchange with WW trying hard to turn the hapless Iberia into a 1990s version of BA while Cruz is trying to turn BA in Vuelling.
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But as long as people book airline seats on price alone then this view will prevail.
Where he does have a problem with is the reservations system which he ahs had doctored so it looks like Ryan or Easy with additional sales opportunites after every step -rent a car, hotel, choose seats and so it is rumoured these are behinfd the numerous crashes and slowdowns it has. Some on a large scale that hit the headlines but most on a individual level but far far too frequently just messing up peoples bookings.
However his strategy is to get rid of anyone with experience as they are expensive. A sort of devils management exchange with WW trying hard to turn the hapless Iberia into a 1990s version of BA while Cruz is trying to turn BA in Vuelling.
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The LGW GE powered fleet will all also receive a new layout and 10 abreast economy.
Had the pleasure of a trip back from DXB earlier this week (into LGW) on a brand-new 380, with Wifi, live TV, and as a big a screen as you can fit on the back of an economy seat.
The fact that EK have had a lot of bad press for doing 10-across in economy on the T7 says all you need to know about how well this will go down for BA. The technology update will need to be good aswell.
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No complaint from me. My sense of exasperation was on behalf of the poor, benighted staff of BA, who will have to put up with the further downgrading of this once fine company.
I have not travelled (to any significant degree) with BA since 1988. They are never my first choice. If I do use my remaining FFMs with them, I would use long haul in a premium cabin.
The race to the bottom was established decades ago and is not over yet.
PAXboy - if you don't like it, pay for one of the premium classes when you fly... given the experience of other airlines it seems passengers in the back of the bus are quite happy with the race to the bottom
I have not travelled (to any significant degree) with BA since 1988. They are never my first choice. If I do use my remaining FFMs with them, I would use long haul in a premium cabin.
The race to the bottom was established decades ago and is not over yet.
Well, there are already precisely zero toilets in WT+ on the 777. So the poor old Premium Economy passengers will now have an even longer queue for the bogs at the back.
Also states that LHR A320 fleet will increase to 180 seats
There was formerly a CAA reg (not EASA) that prevented a certain seat pitch from being implemented and thus 180Y wasn't achievable for UK airlines.
There was formerly a CAA reg (not EASA) that prevented a certain seat pitch from being implemented and thus 180Y wasn't achievable for UK airlines.
Incidentally BA still have some way to go as the Type Certificate now has provision for up to 195 seats.
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I find it hard to believe that the CAA have agreed to commercial pressure to increase the number of seats, SORRY, densification in Y. 
Also states that LHR A320 fleet will increase to 180 seats and A321 to 218.
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Very mixed messages coming from Cruz. On the one hand he says there is an overcapacity on long haul routes. Then plans surface to squeeze even more seats into long haul aircraft. Go figure.
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I believe the increase in LHR 320 seating is due to the Airbus SpaceFlex interior (involves moving the rear toilets into the rear galley area). This increases the EZY seating to 186, so BA will probably keep the front bulkhead.
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is there a timescale for the refit of the shorthaul a/c?
not looking forward to squeezing in another 12 wheelie bags!!
and any news on wifi on shorthaul?
and any idea when the 767 are leaving?
not looking forward to squeezing in another 12 wheelie bags!!
and any news on wifi on shorthaul?
and any idea when the 767 are leaving?