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AT Notts = couldn't agree more, I will believe it when I see it and then we might only see it briefly before it disappears again at the whim of the politicians who run AI and want the shiny new 787 to go elsewhere. The AI track record at BHX is quite frankly very poor. As indeed is the track record of any airline who have operated direct BHX-India services. In any case it's ATQ where BHX catchment pax head to.
Sorry to split hairs and am sure was just a typo but it was the 777 that operated ATQ-BHX-YYZ, not the 767
Sorry to split hairs and am sure was just a typo but it was the 777 that operated ATQ-BHX-YYZ, not the 767
am sure was just a typo but it was the 777 that operated ATQ-BHX-YYZ, not the 767
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Air India Closes in on Birmingham Launch :: Routesonline
Nothing more other than expecting announcement in a week or 2.
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Nothing more other than expecting announcement in a week or 2.
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HAM-BHX transfer to Germanwings now confirmed to be earlier than anticipated, 27OCT13, same date as TXl-BHX switchover.
Route will be continued to be served by Eurowings.
Route will be continued to be served by Eurowings.
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Hasn't it gone a bit quiet in middlesex all of a sudden :
re post # 486 11/06/13 fairdealfrank said :
re post # 534 14/06/13 fairdealfrank said :
re post # 486 11/06/13 fairdealfrank said :
Would add that AI is NOT coming back to BHX (have said this several times so apologies for the repitition), and like CX, any Asia carrier adding a UK destination would indeed look at MAN first.
Hope the hat tastes good and doesn't give indigestion: forget 31/08/13, AI are NOT coming back to BHX (unless on a code share).
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Of course not too long ago, there was a bit of speculation regarding an AI European Hub being based at BHX or Dublin.
If this works out, who knows what might follow once the runway extension is completed?
If this works out, who knows what might follow once the runway extension is completed?
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In fairness to fairdealfrank they're not here yet and nothing has been officially confirmed by either parties. I'll admit things do look more promising this time but a start date of Aug 1st still seems totally unrealistic; even if they do announce that date I'd expect they'll be pushing it back until they get things in order. Remember we've had all this before with Armavia. Would be pleased to be proven wrong but as others have pointed out past history and track-records speak volumes.
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Quote: "Hasn't it gone a bit quiet in middlesex all of a sudden :
re post # 486 11/06/13 fairdealfrank said :"
"Would add that AI is NOT coming back to BHX (have said this several times so apologies for the repitition), and like CX, any Asia carrier adding a UK destination would indeed look at MAN first.""
Have been window shopping, that's why it's gone quiet. Want a hat that won't taste too bad or give me gut-rot.
But won't be buying just yet....
re post # 486 11/06/13 fairdealfrank said :"
"Would add that AI is NOT coming back to BHX (have said this several times so apologies for the repitition), and like CX, any Asia carrier adding a UK destination would indeed look at MAN first.""
Have been window shopping, that's why it's gone quiet. Want a hat that won't taste too bad or give me gut-rot.
But won't be buying just yet....
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I really can't get over excited about this one; the start date is too soon, the airline isn't exactly in the best of financial shape either - and most importantly AI is really a politcal football kicked around by Indian politicians.
Cynical perhaps - but I think the record speaks for itself.
Cynical perhaps - but I think the record speaks for itself.
BHX is keen to see new LH routes to recoup runway investment, so they go round offering 6 months' free service fees for any airline willing to come in. So they chat to various carriers, but none ready to commit yet. AI say they'll come back and are tempted by the offer, so they hastily rush a route launch to take advantage, and hey, the 787 can go there now, so why wait for publicity, it's a proven market?
Of course, they used to operate the larger 777, so this is a bit of a long shot, but I agree it just makes no sense to bring in a service which most people will book ahead months in advance.
As for DEL v ATQ or even BOM, how much traffic on the previous route was O&D? I'll include the continuation to DEL in those figures?
I don't know the exact demographics, but whilst ATQ is an obvious destination point for many, BOM & DEL are both larger cities and transfer hubs.
Or is most of the transfer traffic still going to funnel through DXB, given the extensive connections from there?
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Interesting theory, but you also have to factor in the problems with the 787. They could have been planning this for months but then were not sure when exactly the 787's were going to come back into service and could not commit. Now they are taking delivery of more 787's they can be more certain of future plans.
Interesting theory, but you also have to factor in the problems with the 787. They could have been planning this for months but then were not sure when exactly the 787's were going to come back into service and could not commit. Now they are taking delivery of more 787's they can be more certain of future plans.
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Of course not too long ago, there was a bit of speculation regarding an AI European Hub being based at BHX or Dublin.
If this works out, who knows what might follow once the runway extension is completed?
If this works out, who knows what might follow once the runway extension is completed?
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It is amazing how they (AI) do business with the tenders in the public domain and I assume it is done for "openess", which could be seen by some as ironic. I trust other airlines do it this way as well but it is just not noticed.
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The link is direct from the tenders page of the Air India website and within the first like is another link to a 72 page Word Document outling the requirements and subsequent penalties if the agreement is breached through delays.
What it does say is that the tenders will be opened at 11am 10 July 2013 which if this 1st August date is correct seems somewhat tight for organisaional purposes let alone getting pax to book on the flight.
Also unless I missed it I did not find a decision date but will this have to go from AI London to AI Delhi to AI Bombay to GOI (Government approval) then the decision back to AI Bomaby to AI Delhi to AI London, if so 1st August seems about right........2014
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Welcome to Air-India Materials Management Department
The link is direct from the tenders page of the Air India website and within the first like is another link to a 72 page Word Document outling the requirements and subsequent penalties if the agreement is breached through delays.
What it does say is that the tenders will be opened at 11am 10 July 2013 which if this 1st August date is correct seems somewhat tight for organisaional purposes let alone getting pax to book on the flight.
Also unless I missed it I did not find a decision date but will this have to go from AI London to AI Delhi to AI Bombay to GOI (Government approval) then the decision back to AI Bomaby to AI Delhi to AI London, if so 1st August seems about right........2014
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Have AI at BHX ever not ended up in tears? I highly doubt they will start on 1st August this year but will happily join fairdealfrank in eating a hat if they do.....at least they are now a step ahead of QR in the desperate new long haul route rumour stakes. Will this be third time lucky for AI and BHX? 
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Domestic stats May
Monthly stats figures supplied by the CAA and average pax per a BHX SBS report and the load factors estimated in some instances.
Something I don't usually find easy to do due to cancellations and aircraft changes but thanks to Keith's daily posting I have been able to do May reasonably quicker. 2012 in brackets.
The only errors will be if I miscounted as it was a case of totting up 31 days of flights.
Aberdeen............8671(8451)........53 pax ...63% load factor
Belfast City.....23727(29507)......74 pax....68%
Belfast Int.......12921 (nil)..........111 pax....71%
Londonderry.....4668 (4573).......130 pax.....69%
Dundee.............nil (1399)
Edinburgh.......24100 (25416).....75 pax.....72%
Glasgow.........17959 (19167).....57 pax.....55%
Inverness..........3005 (2781)......52 pax.....60%
Isle of Man-----3927 (3640)......40 pax.....51%
Guernsey -.......3565 (2264)
Jersey..............2732 (4309).......46 pax.....58% GCI/JER added together
Newcastle..........720 (1243).........8 pax....26%
Belfast destinations are quite good and hopefully they will continue to grow overall. The rest are not great although the EDI load factor is fairly impressive and surprising that GLA is a similar frequency/capacity considering the difference in the monthly figures.
I wonder how long Newcastle will continue as it is in decline in both pax and load factor and even with Easterns prices this must be on the endangered list
Air India.
Still only at stage 3 of 5 but looking good
1) Rumours
2) Tender
3) GDS
4) AI/BHX press release
5) On the tarmac
Emirates - BHX to stay double daily during the DXB runway repairs next May? Seems that way from the EK thread.
Pete
Something I don't usually find easy to do due to cancellations and aircraft changes but thanks to Keith's daily posting I have been able to do May reasonably quicker. 2012 in brackets.
The only errors will be if I miscounted as it was a case of totting up 31 days of flights.
Aberdeen............8671(8451)........53 pax ...63% load factor
Belfast City.....23727(29507)......74 pax....68%
Belfast Int.......12921 (nil)..........111 pax....71%
Londonderry.....4668 (4573).......130 pax.....69%
Dundee.............nil (1399)
Edinburgh.......24100 (25416).....75 pax.....72%
Glasgow.........17959 (19167).....57 pax.....55%
Inverness..........3005 (2781)......52 pax.....60%
Isle of Man-----3927 (3640)......40 pax.....51%
Guernsey -.......3565 (2264)
Jersey..............2732 (4309).......46 pax.....58% GCI/JER added together
Newcastle..........720 (1243).........8 pax....26%
Belfast destinations are quite good and hopefully they will continue to grow overall. The rest are not great although the EDI load factor is fairly impressive and surprising that GLA is a similar frequency/capacity considering the difference in the monthly figures.
I wonder how long Newcastle will continue as it is in decline in both pax and load factor and even with Easterns prices this must be on the endangered list
Air India.
Still only at stage 3 of 5 but looking good
1) Rumours
2) Tender
3) GDS
4) AI/BHX press release
5) On the tarmac
Emirates - BHX to stay double daily during the DXB runway repairs next May? Seems that way from the EK thread.
Pete