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I suspect this is the reason they have suddenly become more friendly and are offering allocated seating etc.
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Surely the key (and the profit) is interlining with their extensive European network?
Apparently they have announced that they are looking at distribution via GDS channels (EZY have been doing so for a while), which would be another significant departure from the traditional LCC model. They would of course screw the segment fees down to the last fraction of a cent, and I feel sorry for any GDS account manager who has to deal with them.
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Ryanair to the US?
This has been mooted before but never came to anything.
Even with all the added extras, I struggle to see how this can work at such rock bottom prices. After all, the low cost model that works in Europe can't be copied to a long haul operation. There'll be no 25 minute turnarounds, keeping planes in the air & the aircraft, let's assume a 787, will come with a much heftier price tag than the 737 deal they did with Boeing. It's fair to assume they won't be going to JFK. EWR & LGA are also non starters so they'll presumably be looking for very secondary airports. Who knows where you might end up?
I'll believe it when I see it
This has been mooted before but never came to anything.
Even with all the added extras, I struggle to see how this can work at such rock bottom prices. After all, the low cost model that works in Europe can't be copied to a long haul operation. There'll be no 25 minute turnarounds, keeping planes in the air & the aircraft, let's assume a 787, will come with a much heftier price tag than the 737 deal they did with Boeing. It's fair to assume they won't be going to JFK. EWR & LGA are also non starters so they'll presumably be looking for very secondary airports. Who knows where you might end up?
I'll believe it when I see it
They changed there model as a result of profit warnings and loosing key areas of market share.
Profit warnings were highlighted by everyone else that summer market was weaker because of really hot weather across Europe...............If FR changed because of that then what about everybody else ?
Model run its course so time for a reinvention with something different.
I could see it happening if the range on the 737 max is up to scratch. Feed everybody through Shannon on this side, pre clear them and fly them to less mainstream airports in the north eastern U.S.
Making it 2 separate flights where you don't interline means APD is only from Ireland...............lets see would Irish Govt say not to continuing low APD for an extra million or two passengers through Snn ?
Reason for NO interline is that when you do then home country can claim its a T/A connecting flight and try and charge you accordingly. Any APD experts may be able to clarify.
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Ryanair would never use pre clearance in SNN, believe it costs more than in the US and even more than DUB. There would be little scope for a deal as US staff the facility and not controlled by SNN.
Cheap loco will only work direct, there will probably only be a handful set of seats very cheap but the rest will be the same as current carriers or just a little below them. The taxes alone to the US make such fares never possible. FR will be similar to DY if not slightly higher cost base if crews from EU were used and they would be using older less fuel efficient aircraft.
I notice MOL said he wouldn't go from DUB because EI would dump on him.
Still would be interesting to see how fr would actually do t but I think MOL will of left the company before it happens.
Cheap loco will only work direct, there will probably only be a handful set of seats very cheap but the rest will be the same as current carriers or just a little below them. The taxes alone to the US make such fares never possible. FR will be similar to DY if not slightly higher cost base if crews from EU were used and they would be using older less fuel efficient aircraft.
I notice MOL said he wouldn't go from DUB because EI would dump on him.
Still would be interesting to see how fr would actually do t but I think MOL will of left the company before it happens.
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Pre-clearance, even when in place, is very expensive and most non alliance airlines would find the cost prohibitive. Pre-clearance is time saving, cost effective only when interlining. Baggage and pax can be plussed in a timely manner from the inbound international flight to the domestic network of the alliance/pool partner without having to wait for CBPA to clear the inbound flight.
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This article appeared in 'The Guardian' about pay and conditions for cabin crew. One paragraph mentions FR pay and conditions:
Are there really 5000 crew waiting in the wings to join? I hope they remember to bring their own sandwiches!
BA and Norwegian Air Shuttle cut costs, but at what price for flight attendants? | Guardian Sustainable Business | Guardian Professional
Ryanair director of communications, Michelle Lowe, says that the airline's flight attendants enjoy better rosters, better pay and much better promotional opportunities and job security than at legacy airlines, who are cutting jobs and pay. "We have a waiting list of over 5,000 qualified pilots and cabin crew who wish to join Ryanair for our great conditions and secure jobs."
BA and Norwegian Air Shuttle cut costs, but at what price for flight attendants? | Guardian Sustainable Business | Guardian Professional
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^^ One more step in the right direction. Unbelievably late, though. How many revenues were lost due to the lack of cooperation with any of the GDS providers?
Paradoxically, it will reduce the room to manoeuvre for the typical screen scrapers... Yeah, better late than never.
Paradoxically, it will reduce the room to manoeuvre for the typical screen scrapers... Yeah, better late than never.
I'm not so sure FR using a GDS would have been such a good idea 10 or even 5 years ago.
The competitive environment has changed significantly over the last 10 years with plenty of smaller LCCs failing. FR has not always been such a giant behemoth and 10 years ago needed a strong focus on costs while its many rivals fell by the wayside. Had FR stayed with a GDS and become just another LCC 10 years ago, I doubt they would have been anywhere near as successful.
MOL may have pushed things too far with things like paying for the toilet or standing flights, but 10 years ago, FR made its name from going against the grain. As competitive environments change, strategy should also change - but a strategy that works now would not necessarily have worked 5 years ago.
The competitive environment has changed significantly over the last 10 years with plenty of smaller LCCs failing. FR has not always been such a giant behemoth and 10 years ago needed a strong focus on costs while its many rivals fell by the wayside. Had FR stayed with a GDS and become just another LCC 10 years ago, I doubt they would have been anywhere near as successful.
MOL may have pushed things too far with things like paying for the toilet or standing flights, but 10 years ago, FR made its name from going against the grain. As competitive environments change, strategy should also change - but a strategy that works now would not necessarily have worked 5 years ago.
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I'm assuming that this means they are going into Travelport for distribution purposes.
I think Travelport's TA market share in UK and Ireland is about 60%. Whether enough of those agencies will sell FR to make it a worthwhile venture is questionable, specially once the GDS and other fees are added on and passed to the customer along with the TA servicing fee.
easyJet increased their market share by going into GDS, but EZY and FR are two very different animals, and the former went for the business traveller several years ago, with success. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
I think Travelport's TA market share in UK and Ireland is about 60%. Whether enough of those agencies will sell FR to make it a worthwhile venture is questionable, specially once the GDS and other fees are added on and passed to the customer along with the TA servicing fee.
easyJet increased their market share by going into GDS, but EZY and FR are two very different animals, and the former went for the business traveller several years ago, with success. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
As competitive environments change, strategy should also change - but a strategy that works now would not necessarily have worked 5 years ago.
After all the detractors who have been saying for years they never change anything will have nothing to complain about
Several B737-800 aircraft currently with Fly Dubai have been arranged via the lessor to be used by Ryanair over the summer period !
