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Etihad so far only have 10 A380s on firm order, and have already announced the routes they will initially fly - to SYD, MEL, JFK and LHR. That's a lot of flying, and will soak up most if not all of those 10 frames currently on order. So I would be surprised if MAN sees a regular A380 for a few years yet until they get towards the end of those 10 aircraft deliveries, or perhaps even when the next batch start arriving should they order some more. In the meantime more likely I would expect to see more 77Ws replacing A332s, or perhaps a third daily flight, before an A380.
For Qatar yes the 787 is slightly smaller than the A332, but if they used it to increase the number of flights to MAN (eg to restore the double daily we saw just a few years ago) rather than just a one for one swap, then capacity could be maintained or even increased. I don't think Qatar are as likely to be pushed around by oneworld that much.
For Qatar yes the 787 is slightly smaller than the A332, but if they used it to increase the number of flights to MAN (eg to restore the double daily we saw just a few years ago) rather than just a one for one swap, then capacity could be maintained or even increased. I don't think Qatar are as likely to be pushed around by oneworld that much.
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Etihad so far only have 10 A380s on firm order, and have already announced the routes they will initially fly - to SYD, MEL, JFK and LHR. That's a lot of flying, and will soak up most if not all of those 10 frames currently on order. So I would be surprised if MAN sees a regular A380 for a few years yet until they get towards the end of those 10 aircraft deliveries, or perhaps even when the next batch start arriving should they order some more. In the meantime more likely I would expect to see more 77Ws replacing A332s, or perhaps a third daily flight, before an A380.
For Qatar yes the 787 is slightly smaller than the A332, but if they used it to increase the number of flights to MAN (eg to restore the double daily we saw just a few years ago) rather than just a one for one swap, then capacity could be maintained or even increased. I don't think Qatar are as likely to be pushed around by oneworld that much.
For Qatar yes the 787 is slightly smaller than the A332, but if they used it to increase the number of flights to MAN (eg to restore the double daily we saw just a few years ago) rather than just a one for one swap, then capacity could be maintained or even increased. I don't think Qatar are as likely to be pushed around by oneworld that much.
Point two - Qatar have allocated the UK 2014 growth to another market right now.
I would agree that at some point likely Summer 2015 to service will return to double daily and just perhaps one on a 788 by then.
However I believe QTR may be waiting to move a mile or so North East before returning to capacity growth on the existing network.
The current airport really is a dump and hopelessly inadequate as primarily transit point- I am positive QTR loose repeat business !
Still I expect them to introduce a 77W before the Dreamliner on a regular basis.
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I sometimes think we have agent provocateurs working at Manchester !
I have just been looking at the Complete Destination List on the airport web site, a relatively recent but welcome innovation.
Choose say Moscow a route that needs some TLC !
You are presented initially with a link which suggests EZY offering a direct flight T1 , excellent ...BUT try actually booking it using the book now option.
Instead of being redirected to the EZY web site which believe me would actually give you what you want.....
you are taken back to what appears to be the airports own booking engine, the problem here and not to put to fine a point on it, it is a complete crock, unfit for purpose.
Choose a date when you know EZY fly direct and instead of offering you that flight you are routed out via Zurich and back via Frankfurt.
Choose say Atlanta and that will route you via Chicago
Choose Chicago and THAT routes you via Dublin.
and so it goes on. It is almost impossible to book a direct service.
You might be forgiven for thinking we have any direct flights at all, every time you choose a route where we have regular daily service it will point you at a hub somewhere else.
If you do have the temerity to tick the DIRECT tab,
ie "I want a direct flight from Manchester"
Well the web page loses all the input you have put in !
Words fail me !
I have just been looking at the Complete Destination List on the airport web site, a relatively recent but welcome innovation.
Choose say Moscow a route that needs some TLC !
You are presented initially with a link which suggests EZY offering a direct flight T1 , excellent ...BUT try actually booking it using the book now option.
Instead of being redirected to the EZY web site which believe me would actually give you what you want.....
you are taken back to what appears to be the airports own booking engine, the problem here and not to put to fine a point on it, it is a complete crock, unfit for purpose.
Choose a date when you know EZY fly direct and instead of offering you that flight you are routed out via Zurich and back via Frankfurt.
Choose say Atlanta and that will route you via Chicago
Choose Chicago and THAT routes you via Dublin.
and so it goes on. It is almost impossible to book a direct service.
You might be forgiven for thinking we have any direct flights at all, every time you choose a route where we have regular daily service it will point you at a hub somewhere else.
If you do have the temerity to tick the DIRECT tab,
ie "I want a direct flight from Manchester"
Well the web page loses all the input you have put in !
Words fail me !
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The issue is why bother encouraging any airline to offer the convenience and time saving of direct flights at all ?
I'm clearly missing the point.
If say you have a fledging direct service to Moscow why on earth would you not want to promote it above and beyond flying to another point in Europe.
I thought the whole point of getting from point A to Point B was at least to have some sort of choice of getting to it in the shortest time.
I'm clearly missing the point.
If say you have a fledging direct service to Moscow why on earth would you not want to promote it above and beyond flying to another point in Europe.
I thought the whole point of getting from point A to Point B was at least to have some sort of choice of getting to it in the shortest time.
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I agree Bagso. The direct / non-stop flight should surely appear first with alternatives via another point to follow. Unless of course, it's based on lowest fare first, which as we know may give a different result depending on the booking engine being used.
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Could not agree more with "low price option" MANFOD and whilst I feel this really works against Manchester at least I can see why sites like OPODO, Skyscanner etc operate the way they do. Hubs are king !
BUT given the airport is in the business of self promotion, surely it's OWN branded web site should as you say give some level of priority to flying with the direct option offered first and price second ?
If that is not the case they may as well save some money and fire off the route development team ?
Radical, well not really after all you can get pretty much anywhere via somewhere else, so if you are not going to totally support a direct route once its up and running , especially one that that another dept has possibly worked hard for why on earth bother in the first place ?
Offer a web site that shows Journey time AND then lowest price with journey time the 1st option so punters default to this first.
Also show dates either side of the date entered so if the customer has a degree of flexibility they can at least see options either side of the one input. This would capture more potential pax at Manchester where there might not be a daily service.
The airports own system has in my view just not been thought through, senior board spokesmen say a lot about attracting new carriers presumably on "new routes", seemingly unaware they are presiding over an in-house system that does the exact opposite !
OK most punters might use other options to find tickets (Seeing the mix might be interesting if anybody has the split ?), but however marginal tickets booked on this site might be, lets not use it to send punters needlessly around Europe and potentially to other competitor airports.
BUT given the airport is in the business of self promotion, surely it's OWN branded web site should as you say give some level of priority to flying with the direct option offered first and price second ?
If that is not the case they may as well save some money and fire off the route development team ?
Radical, well not really after all you can get pretty much anywhere via somewhere else, so if you are not going to totally support a direct route once its up and running , especially one that that another dept has possibly worked hard for why on earth bother in the first place ?
Offer a web site that shows Journey time AND then lowest price with journey time the 1st option so punters default to this first.
Also show dates either side of the date entered so if the customer has a degree of flexibility they can at least see options either side of the one input. This would capture more potential pax at Manchester where there might not be a daily service.
The airports own system has in my view just not been thought through, senior board spokesmen say a lot about attracting new carriers presumably on "new routes", seemingly unaware they are presiding over an in-house system that does the exact opposite !
OK most punters might use other options to find tickets (Seeing the mix might be interesting if anybody has the split ?), but however marginal tickets booked on this site might be, lets not use it to send punters needlessly around Europe and potentially to other competitor airports.
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Looking at TCX schedules for next summer. I think they could be about to announce a few new destinations from Manchester. One of them, new Djerba flight on Sunday operated by TCX:
Depart:
Manchester
11 May 2014 at 06:00 hrs
TCX 2402
Arrive:
Djerba
11 May 2014 at 09:30 hrs
Depart:
Djerba
18 May 2014 at 10:30 hrs
TCX 2403
Arrive:
Manchester
18 May 2014 at 14:20 hrs
They also have a new Wednesday flight to Mytilene operated also by TCX.
There is certainly room for further expansion and routes.
Depart:
Manchester
11 May 2014 at 06:00 hrs
TCX 2402
Arrive:
Djerba
11 May 2014 at 09:30 hrs
Depart:
Djerba
18 May 2014 at 10:30 hrs
TCX 2403
Arrive:
Manchester
18 May 2014 at 14:20 hrs
They also have a new Wednesday flight to Mytilene operated also by TCX.
There is certainly room for further expansion and routes.
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Depart:
Manchester
11 May 2014 at 06:00 hrs
TCX 2402
Arrive:
Djerba
11 May 2014 at 09:30 hrs
Depart:
Djerba
18 May 2014 at 10:30 hrs
TCX 2403
Arrive:
Manchester
18 May 2014 at 14:20 hrs
Manchester
11 May 2014 at 06:00 hrs
TCX 2402
Arrive:
Djerba
11 May 2014 at 09:30 hrs
Depart:
Djerba
18 May 2014 at 10:30 hrs
TCX 2403
Arrive:
Manchester
18 May 2014 at 14:20 hrs
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Rumours of a United upgrade for the Newark flight to a 767-300 for this summer. Anyone have any more definite news/information?
Also Delta are reducing Dublin to 1 daily JFK flight from 2 daily last summer. Could we see a return of DL154/155 to JFK now that Delta have a spare aircraft?
Also Delta are reducing Dublin to 1 daily JFK flight from 2 daily last summer. Could we see a return of DL154/155 to JFK now that Delta have a spare aircraft?
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Delta were never 2 daily at DUB, only add extra 3 weekly peak season and never usually added until March.
With some A330 leaving ATL such as the DUB and MAN summer service that leaves 2 B767 to be found to replace that so they may not even add the extra DUB rotations as a result.
With some A330 leaving ATL such as the DUB and MAN summer service that leaves 2 B767 to be found to replace that so they may not even add the extra DUB rotations as a result.
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So Turin you say Qatar not only reduce frequency but now contemplate capacity reduction as well ?
Perhaps the curse of Oneairline (World) strikes again
Perhaps the curse of Oneairline (World) strikes again
I think the capacity of the A330 may be required elsewhere. The 787 has to be used somewhere, they bought a shed load of em.
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It seems Cyprus Airways is considering a return to Manchester:
CY to sell Heathrow timeslot despite pilots? protest | Cyprus Mail
Heathrow is one of the most expensive airports in the world. We are losing
money there, so we are exploring the possibility of shifting some flights to
another airport”, he said, adding that CY is considering additional flights to
Manchester to accommodate students
money there, so we are exploring the possibility of shifting some flights to
another airport”, he said, adding that CY is considering additional flights to
Manchester to accommodate students
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Good news re Cyprus, especially as hopefully the economy over there has recovered...a bit !
When I read the slot swap I must confess to be being wee bit concerned thinking they (QR) might infact reduce MAN for LHR with this addition, do they have lots of frames ?
Lets hope they stick.
Do we know what the mix of slots they gain is ?
Lets hope route development chase down but they look elsewhere !
As an aside does anybody know the most popular END destinations and ratios based on the combination of MEBs Ex Manchester ?
I am pretty sure Hong Kong was most popular on Emirates and even think I read somewhere that Perth (somewhat oddly) was well up there.
With regards HK (and I hasten to add it's only a fag packet calculation), but if its 25% per day on EK that would equate to a reasonable load on a direct service assuming all other things were equal, fares, frequency, yield etc.
(not sure Cathay could sell 1st like EK do). Suspect they could fill back end but not front.
Having said that I am as evangelical about Cathay as others on here, give me another EK or ETIHAD any day!
Extra frequency and a pretty much guaranteed seat filler !
Better the devil you know.
Would be an interesting discussion point however !
When I read the slot swap I must confess to be being wee bit concerned thinking they (QR) might infact reduce MAN for LHR with this addition, do they have lots of frames ?
Lets hope they stick.
Do we know what the mix of slots they gain is ?
Lets hope route development chase down but they look elsewhere !
As an aside does anybody know the most popular END destinations and ratios based on the combination of MEBs Ex Manchester ?
I am pretty sure Hong Kong was most popular on Emirates and even think I read somewhere that Perth (somewhat oddly) was well up there.
With regards HK (and I hasten to add it's only a fag packet calculation), but if its 25% per day on EK that would equate to a reasonable load on a direct service assuming all other things were equal, fares, frequency, yield etc.
(not sure Cathay could sell 1st like EK do). Suspect they could fill back end but not front.
Having said that I am as evangelical about Cathay as others on here, give me another EK or ETIHAD any day!
Extra frequency and a pretty much guaranteed seat filler !
Better the devil you know.
Would be an interesting discussion point however !
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"With regards HK (and I hasten to add it's only a fag packet calculation), but if its 25% per day on EK that would equate to a reasonable load on a direct service assuming all other things were equal, fares, frequency, yield etc. "
Some years ago, I was told that the destination with most connecting pax on EK from MAN was Bangkok. Whether that is still the case, I don't know.
The potential for CX of course has to take into account passengers hubbing through Europe and not least LHR. However, it's a valid point to question the extent to which MEB3 would be affected if CX restart flights from MAN.
Some years ago, I was told that the destination with most connecting pax on EK from MAN was Bangkok. Whether that is still the case, I don't know.
The potential for CX of course has to take into account passengers hubbing through Europe and not least LHR. However, it's a valid point to question the extent to which MEB3 would be affected if CX restart flights from MAN.
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Shame about Airblue. Perhaps they should have considered an A330 rather than an A340, may have suited the route better. Could we see any increases from PIA when Airblue goes?
Also I remember reading somewhere about a 747-200 flight from Pakistan to MAN over the summer. I guess this was a non-starter.
Also I remember reading somewhere about a 747-200 flight from Pakistan to MAN over the summer. I guess this was a non-starter.
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There was rumours of Norwegian Air Shuttle having a base at MAN for this summer and having read the following link, looks like they secured charter contracts for summer 2014. One of the contracts is from TUI UK with contracts to cover the transportation of passengers from the United Kingdom and Scandinavia to Spain, Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Italy and Cyprus during the Summer 2014 season. Could we still see a base for them over summer like the Germania seasonal base we currently have?
Norwegian secures charter contracts worth $73mn - ch-aviation.ch
Norwegian secures charter contracts worth $73mn - ch-aviation.ch