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Old 31st Oct 2012, 00:05
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If Flybe could get a codeshare with BA and through-ticketing on a smaller aircraft? There are several popular destinations, like Naples, that are not daily available from Manchester that used this link.

Also there must be a market domestically from Manchester to the south London and Brighton area that is more convenient than Heathrow.

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Old 31st Oct 2012, 00:33
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I hope U2 or BE do make a connection available as so many people used the BA service to connect in Gatwick with the Caribbean flights or BA and VS, not just as a point to point service.
Most of which are gone by mid morning. LGW was de-hubbed and now gets by on point to point with some feed from the regions. However the second and third daily flights would have next to no long haul to feed.
The second issue is that the B737-400 is not ideal, it's too big for frequency, and they didn't replace the smaller B737-300/500s. Removing the night stopping MAN-LGW killed what was left.
flybe and GIP at LGW are in dispute over charges, MAN-LGW would not do well under the current charging regime.

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Old 31st Oct 2012, 07:53
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This will be an interesting one to watch. You can't escape the feeling that there is a market for a link between the UK's second and third airports, hub or not. It probably comes down to operating costs. MAN has its charges under control, LGW has been spending freely and needs to recoup, which may make an otherwise viable route not so for a lower cost airline. If the route is not revived it just might boost the case for a few more Carribean and other services direct out of MAN, but not with BA of course. VS perhaps?

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Old 31st Oct 2012, 08:02
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Gatwick has more demand vs runway capacity than MAN, so can price accordingly. I think you'll find they are very much in control and on top of things down there
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 08:15
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My comment on charges was really a reflection on how MAN was for so long seen as an expensive airport. It'll never be Peel but this perception and reality has now changed. LGW can no doubt charge according to demand but the MAN-LGW may not be so elastic as to be viable at those rates.
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 08:40
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If you look at just how much GIP have spent, you'll realise that there's a danger of uncompetitve charges. It's still mainly TOM/MON/EZY/BA/VS to the sun with DY bigging it up. FR gave up on most sun routes and BE dropped LBA and ABZ. Domestic in particular is a challenge.

I think GIP have an overly optimistic view of what they can sustain at LGW. This is a lesson MAN went through and has adapted well to. Don't marginalise one part of your market through exorbitant fees!
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 08:57
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The route has seemed like a shuttle for Virgin, Thomas Cook, and BA particularly. Me bet is easyJet next.
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 09:00
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Ryanair Expansion

Ryanair Announces 1 Million Pax Growth In 2013 In North West

1 MILLION NEW PASSENGERS & 1,000 NEW JOBS

Ryanair, Europe’s only ultra-low cost airline, today (31 Oct) announced 1m passenger growth at 3 North West airports in 2013, adding 1m new passengers and a total of 9 new routes at Manchester, Liverpool and East Midlands airports, which will sustain up to 1,000 new jobs*.

Manchester Summer 2013:
· 34 routes, 5 new routes – Corfu, Krakow, Lanzarote, Paphos & Trapani
· 360,000 new passengers (over 2.4m pax)
· 360 new jobs, over 2,400 jobs in total
· 1 new aircraft

Liverpool Summer 2013:
· 39 routes, 2 new routes – Lublin & Zadar
· Over 180,000 new passengers (over 2.1m pax)
· 180 new jobs, over 2,100 jobs in total

East Midlands Summer 2013:
· 38 routes, 2 new routes – Marseille & Menorca (Growth on 17 other routes)
· 460,000 new passengers (over 2.3m pax)
· 460 new jobs, over 2,300 jobs in total
· 1 new aircraft

To celebrate 1m passenger growth in 2013 and the launch of its Manchester, Liverpool and East Midlands 2013 summer schedules, Ryanair is launching a seat sale with 100,000 seats across its European network at prices starting from just £15.99 for travel on Mon, Tues, Wed and Thur in November and December, which are available for booking until midnight Thur (1 Nov).

Ryanair’s 9 new summer routes from Manchester, Liverpool and East Midlands will be available for booking on www.ryanair.com tomorrow.

In Manchester today, Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said:

“Ryanair today celebrates 1m passenger growth at three North West airports, with 9 new routes, which will sustain 1,000 new jobs at Manchester, Liverpool and East Midlands airports.

Our 34 Manchester routes (including 5 new to Corfu, Krakow, Lanzarote , Paphos and Trapani), 39 Liverpool routes (including 2 new to Lublin and Zadar) and 38 East Midlands routes (including 2 new to Marseille and Menorca) will deliver almost 7m passengers and sustain over 7,000 jobs at Manchester, Liverpool and East Midlands airports in 2013.”

* ACI confirms up to 1,000 ‘on-site’ jobs per 1m passengers
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 09:43
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Just what we have been crying out for, a new non stop direct flight to ......Trapani ( ?) where is it?
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 09:49
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Is in Sicily .. But I say instead of opening a route of Trapani, why not connecting Palermo? Much more useful .. Well!
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 09:53
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Ah, found it now. If only he'd of put Naples (South) then I would have known where he meant.

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Old 31st Oct 2012, 12:29
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Hehehe Mr A Tis, I guess that if it said Sicily-Trapani it would have been more direct but

in 2010 the route Liverpool-Trapani went really well and from Manchester it can go only better.
Trapani offers the right product and has always had excellent feedback from the british tourist that visited this part of the island.
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 12:58
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360 new jobs, over 2,400 jobs in total
· 1 new aircraft

Fantastic news. Why on earth can the government not simply ask Ryanair to say put a few dozen planes around the country and this would fully address the unemployment situation across the UK...

MOL to the rescue of the people
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 22:51
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Bizzare decision to pull/suspend Man - Lgw. Use the service regularly on business and to visit family in Kent. 734 was full thu eve & almost full on return on Sunday night.
Jet2 tried to compete a few years ago. Maybe they will have another go. BA pulling For their own commercial reasons as they have realised that pax don't use the service to transfer to other BA routes they have really abandoned Man over the years. I hope somebody picks up the route
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 23:08
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I am sure another carrier will pick it up.
BE or Easyjet if they think they can make a go of it.
Would be good if BE had a code share with BA.
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Old 31st Oct 2012, 23:18
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Could BM possibly give it a pop?
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Old 4th Nov 2012, 01:09
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Summer 2013-Route News/Runours

Route Increases:
SAS
Oslo increases to 6 weekly
Copenhagen increases to 14 weekly

Air Transat
Toronto increases to 8 weekly
Calgary increases to 3 weekly

Rumours (some may being posted before)
Air Canada (loco) - 6 weekly YYZ
Delta - A332 to ATL
Norwegian - Helsinki 4 weekly
Air China - A330 6 weekly
Thomson - Cozumel, Mexico with 787 from Nov 13
United - 5 weekly to SFO with B763
United - IAD changes to B763
United - EWR goes 2 daily

Anyone any thaughts?
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Old 4th Nov 2012, 02:11
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Looks like Norwegian are ready with their summer schedules and HEL-MAN is not among them. You have to be satified with an increase from 4 to 9 weekly Norwegian flights for this time.
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Old 4th Nov 2012, 11:24
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Would be surprised to see UA to SFO
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Old 4th Nov 2012, 13:20
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United at FOUR daily? Seriously?
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