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girt big n
Thank you for putting me right concerning Fords having continued to use the STN-CGN route in addition to the Germania charters from SEN and for the information concerning the purpose of the Romanian and Turkish flights.
My information concerning the attempt to attract Ford to a SEN-CGN charter operation again is correct though and I thought some here might see it as being of interest. I promise to act less "dangerously" in future to avoid annoying you.
tws123
The JOIN Press Release is promised for "the end of the month" and will contain a few unexpected elements, but don't expect too much of immediate benefit to SEN - and I'm not living dangerously in saying that.
Thank you for putting me right concerning Fords having continued to use the STN-CGN route in addition to the Germania charters from SEN and for the information concerning the purpose of the Romanian and Turkish flights.
My information concerning the attempt to attract Ford to a SEN-CGN charter operation again is correct though and I thought some here might see it as being of interest. I promise to act less "dangerously" in future to avoid annoying you.
tws123
The JOIN Press Release is promised for "the end of the month" and will contain a few unexpected elements, but don't expect too much of immediate benefit to SEN - and I'm not living dangerously in saying that.
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Expressflight you do not annoy me I just wish that some on this forum and others would trade a little more in hard facts.
If there was a credible safe and financially secure carrier based at SEN with early morning flights to CGN and evening retune to SEN ten I am sure that Ford would be tempted I the right people were spoken with at Ford.
However first find that credible, safe and financially secure airline that can offer the right schedule and importantly a competitive seat cost compared with German Wings and there is a chance that the Blue Oval would return to Southend.
If there was a credible safe and financially secure carrier based at SEN with early morning flights to CGN and evening retune to SEN ten I am sure that Ford would be tempted I the right people were spoken with at Ford.
However first find that credible, safe and financially secure airline that can offer the right schedule and importantly a competitive seat cost compared with German Wings and there is a chance that the Blue Oval would return to Southend.
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Any new route(s) that Join! can bring (even if its several years off) will be an added bonus for SEN, i'm just pleased that after such a long time and in tough economic conditions the Join! pan-european network might actually start.
Whatever the news brings i'll be happy.
Any new route(s) that Join! can bring (even if its several years off) will be an added bonus for SEN, i'm just pleased that after such a long time and in tough economic conditions the Join! pan-european network might actually start.
Whatever the news brings i'll be happy.
girt big un
I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to post only "hard facts", although a rumour that anyone hears from a credible source is surely worth posting, but sometimes the more you know the less you can say in public.
That's certainly the case wth "JOIN" and I'd love to spill the beans but 'confidentiality' still means something to all of us I hope. So hints and generalities must suffice until the PR comes out.
You seems well informed on the Ford situation so can you give an idea of the daily numbers they could provide on SEN-CGN? The other conditions that you suggest would certainly be required to attract them to such a service I'm sure.
I agree with you that it would be nice to be able to post only "hard facts", although a rumour that anyone hears from a credible source is surely worth posting, but sometimes the more you know the less you can say in public.
That's certainly the case wth "JOIN" and I'd love to spill the beans but 'confidentiality' still means something to all of us I hope. So hints and generalities must suffice until the PR comes out.
You seems well informed on the Ford situation so can you give an idea of the daily numbers they could provide on SEN-CGN? The other conditions that you suggest would certainly be required to attract them to such a service I'm sure.
Is it cheaper parking at Southend than Stansted ?
Apparently so.
One would think the word 'considerably' might apply if it's worthwhile having the aircraft positioned away from base like this, although I suppose it depends on how much flying they anticipate it doing.
One would think the word 'considerably' might apply if it's worthwhile having the aircraft positioned away from base like this, although I suppose it depends on how much flying they anticipate it doing.
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If someone has told you something in confidence would they thank you for telling this forum that you know something and then droping hints?
I personally suspect that you know less than you make out and use confidentiality as the excuse.
I'd love to spill the beans but 'confidentiality' still means something to all of us I hope.
I personally suspect that you know less than you make out and use confidentiality as the excuse.
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Pain in the R's, perhaps you'd care to spoil the predictability of your posts with a truly enlightened piece of writing one of these days? There's a great difference between revealing facts and displaying inclinations towards certain possibilities. I would urge you to stop being quite so rude and, frankly, to cheer up! 
Some people take this business far too seriously.
Some people take this business far too seriously.
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I enjoy reading Expressflight's comments - in some cases hints are given, and as a result some people maybe able to work out what he is getting at without simply telling everyone. In other cases its just interesting items in which I look forward to hearing about properly when it actually happens/or is announced etc. Keep the excellent comments coming Expressflight! 
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Expressflight
You may note from my last posting that I mentioned "credible, safe and financially secure" as an absolute minimum criteria to attract serious "blue chip" companies to an airline. Do you think that a blue chip company would consider a non airline operator ticket provider like Join as being credible, safe and financially secure?
You may note from my last posting that I mentioned "credible, safe and financially secure" as an absolute minimum criteria to attract serious "blue chip" companies to an airline. Do you think that a blue chip company would consider a non airline operator ticket provider like Join as being credible, safe and financially secure?
Everyone, I'm getting a bit tired of my knowledge, credibility and integrity being questioned in recent days by some people on this forum.
girt big un
"JOIN" will not be a "ticket agency" but will have a full AOC from day one. With respect I think your speculation is a bit rich from someone who was going on about wanting only "hard facts" posted and here you are making assumptions.
Pain in the Rs
On just what basis are you suggesting that I know less than I make out? Do you know me? Do you know my relationship with JOIN? Do you know which contacts I have within various airlines and airports?
As far as the CEO of "JOIN" not thanking me for dropping hints and saying "that I know something" (whatever that is supposed to mean), I can assure you that he is quite happy as long as I don't reveal anything that will appear in the Press Release. Does it surprise you that he is actually pleased to see some industry interest stimulated in anticipation of the Press Release?
I've arrived at the point where I no longer enjoy contributing to this forum due to the unreasonable attitude of just a few posters. It used to be fun but is no longer,and I doubt I'm the only one to feel that way. Perhaps the Mods should close it down for a few weeks.
Anyway, I'm fed up with the insults so you won't get any further information out of me for a little while. I'll come back on when the JOIN PR is issued as I'm sure a few comments will be generated which I might usefully add to - at least some of you might think them useful.
girt big un
"JOIN" will not be a "ticket agency" but will have a full AOC from day one. With respect I think your speculation is a bit rich from someone who was going on about wanting only "hard facts" posted and here you are making assumptions.
Pain in the Rs
On just what basis are you suggesting that I know less than I make out? Do you know me? Do you know my relationship with JOIN? Do you know which contacts I have within various airlines and airports?
As far as the CEO of "JOIN" not thanking me for dropping hints and saying "that I know something" (whatever that is supposed to mean), I can assure you that he is quite happy as long as I don't reveal anything that will appear in the Press Release. Does it surprise you that he is actually pleased to see some industry interest stimulated in anticipation of the Press Release?
I've arrived at the point where I no longer enjoy contributing to this forum due to the unreasonable attitude of just a few posters. It used to be fun but is no longer,and I doubt I'm the only one to feel that way. Perhaps the Mods should close it down for a few weeks.
Anyway, I'm fed up with the insults so you won't get any further information out of me for a little while. I'll come back on when the JOIN PR is issued as I'm sure a few comments will be generated which I might usefully add to - at least some of you might think them useful.
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To the best of my knowledge, I have never met Expressflight in any context other than as a passive reader of his posts on this forum, so either I'm suffering from a similar delusion having been exposed to a common source material or maybe, just maybe, he knows what he is (and isn't) talking about.
@ girt big un, re blue-chip investment: that would probably depend on whether the investors base their decision on real world data or poorly-informed, discussion-group speculation.
@ girt big un, re blue-chip investment: that would probably depend on whether the investors base their decision on real world data or poorly-informed, discussion-group speculation.
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Expressflight: it's understandable that you should feel hurt when some people question your integrity, especially those who seem to enjoy making negative comments on every site (not just this SEN one). I base my opinion of you on your record on this forum and others - you're almost always right. So, if it walks like a duck etc..... to me you seem to know what you are talking about and seem to have the right connections. So good luck to you and I hope you return to this forum soon. 
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Expressflight: it's understandable that you should feel hurt when some people question your integrity, especially those who seem to enjoy making negative comments on every site (not just this SEN one). I base my opinion of you on your record on this forum and others - you're almost always right. So, if it walks like a duck etc..... to me you seem to know what you are talking about and seem to have the right connections. So good luck to you and I hope you return to this forum soon.
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Oh Gawd ... I feel the moderator is, again, not so far away ...
Allow me to put it quite bluntly ... How many of you give a flying phuck whether SEN succeeds or fails and if you, truly, couldn't care less then kindly refrain from posting argumentative cr@p because it's boring to read!
Back to my San Miguel
Allow me to put it quite bluntly ... How many of you give a flying phuck whether SEN succeeds or fails and if you, truly, couldn't care less then kindly refrain from posting argumentative cr@p because it's boring to read!
Back to my San Miguel
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Aer Arann
I see Stobart are planning to take over Aer Arann along with another investor. Stobart will increase their share up to 45%. Interesting move - any thoughts on this? I can certainly see this speeding up the Carlisle - SEN plans for next year.
Here's the link - Authority to look at Aer Arann takeover - The Irish Times - Tue, Nov 27, 2012
Here's the link - Authority to look at Aer Arann takeover - The Irish Times - Tue, Nov 27, 2012
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Could someone explain the merit in Stobart having majority control of a small Irish airline ? Muddying the water between airline and airport makes for burning lots of management time, and also discourages other airlines that would be interested in operating Irish and some puddle jumper routes from doing so at Southend