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DT - the figures are in here if you want to extract them:
UK Airport Provisional Statistics: 2012 - 10 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
UK Airport Provisional Statistics: 2012 - 10 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
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dresden 396 saarbrucken 150 stuttgart 28 dublin 4653 galway 0 waterford 2467 amsterdam 11196 faro 9001 alicante 7229 barcelona 6757 ibiza 2200 malaga 6849 palma de mallorca 3466
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Thank you guys for the figures and link.
One question.......when pax aircraft divert into SEN, like this morning becuase LCY has delays, are these to be found in the CAA stats?
One question.......when pax aircraft divert into SEN, like this morning becuase LCY has delays, are these to be found in the CAA stats?
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Yes they do show up in the pax figures for city pairs, and when the 'confirmed' (not provisional) figures are published, there is also a table that shows the numbers of diversions from one airport to another.
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Yes, the Titan 752 is SEN-based at present and will position out as required. I don't know if they will operate any ad hoc charters from/to SEN itself.
As far as the Ford flights are concerned I think they found it not to be cost effective - and I'm not surprised at that. They have reverted to using Germanwings' STN-CGN service but would use a SEN-CGN scheduled service if anyone starts that route. At least one operator is trying to convince them to use a 50-seater on a sole use charter basis but I don't think that is likely to be taken up.
Yes, the Titan 752 is SEN-based at present and will position out as required. I don't know if they will operate any ad hoc charters from/to SEN itself.
As far as the Ford flights are concerned I think they found it not to be cost effective - and I'm not surprised at that. They have reverted to using Germanwings' STN-CGN service but would use a SEN-CGN scheduled service if anyone starts that route. At least one operator is trying to convince them to use a 50-seater on a sole use charter basis but I don't think that is likely to be taken up.
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Titan B757
If the Titan 752 is to operate any revenue flights from SEN it will need the provision of RFF7. SEN currently publishes only RFF6, but are they in a position to offer RFF7 on request, as is the case with (e.g.) SOU for their occasional 757 charters ?
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What is to stop easyJet doing SEN DUB? Ryanair cannot join them due to restrictions on 738. Yes FR would increase STN I expect, but SEN on its own merits could warrant a 3 daily easyJet 319, EIR is carrying reasonable numbers, easyJet would be fit on its own to more than tripple that...??
Obvious that easyJet have avoided services destinations in Southern Ireland after the NOC SNN & ORK to LGW fiasco. But this may be an opportunity..
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Obvious that easyJet have avoided services destinations in Southern Ireland after the NOC SNN & ORK to LGW fiasco. But this may be an opportunity..
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Thought the runway was too narrow to operate passenger flights with a 757.
This thread seems to be full of fantasy posts lately with people waffling on about where they think services could operate rather than talking about facts.
This thread seems to be full of fantasy posts lately with people waffling on about where they think services could operate rather than talking about facts.
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Ford Flights
Ford never stopped using German Wings for their CGN passengers even with charters from SEN. The only people using the SEN CGN sector were Board members. The flights to Turkey and Romania supported the introduction of new models and stopped when the work of the supporting engineers was completed. I wish Express Flight would stop postulating as a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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Why would EZY want to operate to DUB when Aer Lingus already fly three times
a day?
Does anybody know what level of pax on SEN DUB are transitting to USA flights ex Dublin?
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Pain in the R's;
I am simply saying that the Dublin route is simply not doing the business. There are opportunities for passenger number growth ex SEN on this route.
An understanding of the number of pax transitting for USA flights will say a lot, i.e. the average SEN DUB loads are about 27 per ATR42. thats about 64%. My feeling is that Aer Lingus Regional are simply not communicaiting to the relevant audience would might use the route, and a small plane such as ATR42, is slow over the distance and is no comparison to an airbus, but also in terms of the economies a 319 could bring over the distance it would be reflected in the fares.
If Easyjet can hit 10k per month on SEN BFS, my guess is that DUB could achieve 15k given the relative popularity of Dublin London routes compared to those ex Belfast area.
Simply my opinion, isn't OLT Express flying from SEN? Also if Aer Lingus Regional are doing a amount of feed to USA destinations via DUB surely there is room for both airlines...
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I am simply saying that the Dublin route is simply not doing the business. There are opportunities for passenger number growth ex SEN on this route.
An understanding of the number of pax transitting for USA flights will say a lot, i.e. the average SEN DUB loads are about 27 per ATR42. thats about 64%. My feeling is that Aer Lingus Regional are simply not communicaiting to the relevant audience would might use the route, and a small plane such as ATR42, is slow over the distance and is no comparison to an airbus, but also in terms of the economies a 319 could bring over the distance it would be reflected in the fares.
If Easyjet can hit 10k per month on SEN BFS, my guess is that DUB could achieve 15k given the relative popularity of Dublin London routes compared to those ex Belfast area.
Simply my opinion, isn't OLT Express flying from SEN? Also if Aer Lingus Regional are doing a amount of feed to USA destinations via DUB surely there is room for both airlines...
EI-BUD
Let us suppose just for a moment that Easyjet launches a SEN-DUB route. Would this be the sole route out of Dublin for Easyjet or would they launch routes to Dublin from other bases or W routes ? If other Dublin routes are launched - where would they be ? If Southend is the sole Dublin route, would the lack of join-the-dots still allow the route to be sufficiently profitable for Easyjet ?
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I dont see why easyJet could not launch up to 3 or 4 routes ex Dublin.
Geneva, for one, not just seasonally, FR have avoided GVA,
Paris CDG, FR wont go their, have clearly said
Milan MXP, FR cant do a deal on landing charges , this route could work.
Amsterdam, one of Aer Lingus's most profitable route, surely a honeypot and a huge opportunity for easyJet. Outside of those and SEN I wouldnt see many more until they would be well established ex Dublin....
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I dont see why easyJet could not launch up to 3 or 4 routes ex Dublin.
Geneva, for one, not just seasonally, FR have avoided GVA,
Paris CDG, FR wont go their, have clearly said
Milan MXP, FR cant do a deal on landing charges , this route could work.
Amsterdam, one of Aer Lingus's most profitable route, surely a honeypot and a huge opportunity for easyJet. Outside of those and SEN I wouldnt see many more until they would be well established ex Dublin....
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My friends make around 4 trips pa to USA and were delighted when they saw the new route via SEN announced.
That is until they discovered the price was almost double what they normally pay.......
That is until they discovered the price was almost double what they normally pay.......
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This thread seems to be full of fantasy posts lately with people waffling on about where they think services could operate rather than talking about facts. 
I dont see why easyJet could not launch up to 3 or 4 routes ex Dublin.
Geneva, for one, not just seasonally, FR have avoided GVA,
Paris CDG, FR wont go their, have clearly said
Milan MXP, FR cant do a deal on landing charges , this route could work.
Amsterdam, one of Aer Lingus's most profitable route, surely a honeypot and a huge opportunity for easyJet. Outside of those and SEN I wouldnt see many more until they would be well established ex Dublin....
Geneva, for one, not just seasonally, FR have avoided GVA,
Paris CDG, FR wont go their, have clearly said
Milan MXP, FR cant do a deal on landing charges , this route could work.
Amsterdam, one of Aer Lingus's most profitable route, surely a honeypot and a huge opportunity for easyJet. Outside of those and SEN I wouldnt see many more until they would be well established ex Dublin....
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