SOUTHEND - 3 The new beginning
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Yes at other airports but not Southend. As already pointed out on another post Easyjet aircraft hardly leave the ground at the moment at Southend with between 3 and 5 hours between the arrival and the aircrafts next departure. A quick look tonight shows the last easyjet arrival was at 19:25 so that’s another 12 hours on the ground. I think some of their aircraft are only being used for around 4 hours of flying a day from Southend.
Since the majority of commercial traffic during the day spend about an hour on the ground, your remark is totally inaccurate. Agree with JTSB.
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Yes I quite agree with what you say but reading some of the posts here you would think that easyjet would have no problem filling aircraft and would have a full programme of flights from Southend. The reality is unpalatable for some here who put their fingers in their ears at the thought that Southend is not as popular as they would like to think.
Do some people here really belief that I get paid by SEN/Stobarts to put positive comments on here? If so then they're way off the mark as I'm totally freelance and although, through work for other airlines/airports, this brings me into contact with their management quite often I have never been paid by them for anything. I've done them the odd favour when I've been at a convention but nothing I need to declare to the taxman.
I freely admit that I'm a SEN 'nut' and have been ever since I was about eight years old and saw that TWA Connie land with an engine on fire in the 1950s. All I try to do is pass on information which might be of interest whch relates to the rebirth of SEN. If I see that infomation being distorted or wrongly interpretted to suit someone's agenda (that person normally having no knowledge whatever of the facts; for example as was so clearly the case several times with the recent OLT saga) I try to put the record straight. If by doing so I'm seen as trying to stifle those with alternative views, then perhaps the fault lies in the way I'm doing it as that isn't my intention. Anyone is obviously free to post whatever they like, but surely they must be prepared for what they say to be challenged if it's simply plain wrong from factual point of view.
When someone says, for example, that if OLT operated its German flights into STN rather than SEN if would increase its chances of operating profitably "three fold", such a statement needs justfication surely rather than just being baldly stated and accepted.
On the matter of aircraft ground time at SEN at present why is this an apparent surprise to so many people? For reasons of their choosing EZY have decided to leave three aircraft SEN-based when it was always obvious that they would not all be fully utilised. Perhaps for them it is more economical to do so and giving half a standby aircraft conveniently located in the London area. There was in fact talk a month or so ago of them parking a spare aircraft at SEN in any case. Perhaps Pain in the R's might like to consider that take on the situation.
I look forward to the discussion here on the Press Release which is due out on Wednesday - if it appears as plannned. Probably not too much for SEN in the shortrun, but lots of potential perhaps.
I freely admit that I'm a SEN 'nut' and have been ever since I was about eight years old and saw that TWA Connie land with an engine on fire in the 1950s. All I try to do is pass on information which might be of interest whch relates to the rebirth of SEN. If I see that infomation being distorted or wrongly interpretted to suit someone's agenda (that person normally having no knowledge whatever of the facts; for example as was so clearly the case several times with the recent OLT saga) I try to put the record straight. If by doing so I'm seen as trying to stifle those with alternative views, then perhaps the fault lies in the way I'm doing it as that isn't my intention. Anyone is obviously free to post whatever they like, but surely they must be prepared for what they say to be challenged if it's simply plain wrong from factual point of view.
When someone says, for example, that if OLT operated its German flights into STN rather than SEN if would increase its chances of operating profitably "three fold", such a statement needs justfication surely rather than just being baldly stated and accepted.
On the matter of aircraft ground time at SEN at present why is this an apparent surprise to so many people? For reasons of their choosing EZY have decided to leave three aircraft SEN-based when it was always obvious that they would not all be fully utilised. Perhaps for them it is more economical to do so and giving half a standby aircraft conveniently located in the London area. There was in fact talk a month or so ago of them parking a spare aircraft at SEN in any case. Perhaps Pain in the R's might like to consider that take on the situation.
I look forward to the discussion here on the Press Release which is due out on Wednesday - if it appears as plannned. Probably not too much for SEN in the shortrun, but lots of potential perhaps.
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I freely admit that I'm a SEN 'nut'
I look forward to the discussion here on the Press Release which is due out on Wednesday
ANY IDEAL ?
On the other hand it might not as it is still early days.So why do they need the field? If no one comes up with the answer I will tell you all tonight
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Guessing...
Guess no. 1
Concreting over a field to the west of the airport to provide a lorry depot allowing Stobarts to effect "inter-modal" transfer of shipborne goods from the new Thames DWP port to overnight cargo flights?
Guess no. 2
Building a coach and bus interchange next to the railway station on the bit of greenbelt the residents really want to keep as greenbelt but Stobarts have kept access to despite planning rulings to the contrary?
Guess no. 3
Building a car park on a field to the west of the airport to cater for the increase in demand for car parking despite a railway station with direct links to London being within walking distance of the terminal building?
Am I close?
Concreting over a field to the west of the airport to provide a lorry depot allowing Stobarts to effect "inter-modal" transfer of shipborne goods from the new Thames DWP port to overnight cargo flights?
Guess no. 2
Building a coach and bus interchange next to the railway station on the bit of greenbelt the residents really want to keep as greenbelt but Stobarts have kept access to despite planning rulings to the contrary?
Guess no. 3
Building a car park on a field to the west of the airport to cater for the increase in demand for car parking despite a railway station with direct links to London being within walking distance of the terminal building?
Am I close?
west of play
The Field to the West of the Airport is about 75 mtrs (in a straight line) from runway threshold so I doubt they are looking to build anything on that. Prior to runway extension this field was earmarked by the LA as a possible park & ride site but has been cancelled because of the new runway length.
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The field on the approach to 24 is to the rear of a property the airfield already owns (the east of the airport = Tinkers Lane). The field contains the approach lights.
It is easier to maintain/ upgrade /work on the lights if they are on airport property rather than having to gain permission from the owner.
Simples.
Southend already have more car park areas earmarked due to growing demand.
Some people here are just being silly.
It is easier to maintain/ upgrade /work on the lights if they are on airport property rather than having to gain permission from the owner.
Simples.
Southend already have more car park areas earmarked due to growing demand.
Some people here are just being silly.
1134 sqm of paddock land to the north side of Tinkers Lane, Rochford, Essex
The right in connection with the operation of London Southend Airport to install by such construction method as may be necessary new approach lights and related structures and apparatus in, on, under and across the above-referenced land and to operate such lights and/or structures and/or apparatus including the right to survey, inspect, repair, maintain, alter, replace and/or remove such lights and/or structures and/or apparatus and any other associated equipment and the right to enter for all such purposes as may be necessary with materials, workmen, vehicles and/or equipment.
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London Southend Airport
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Alastair Welch - Managing Director London Southend Airport Company Limited London Southend Airport Southend-on-Sea ESSEX SS2 6YF
Date: 5 NOVEMBER 2012
The right in connection with the operation of London Southend Airport to install by such construction method as may be necessary new approach lights and related structures and apparatus in, on, under and across the above-referenced land and to operate such lights and/or structures and/or apparatus including the right to survey, inspect, repair, maintain, alter, replace and/or remove such lights and/or structures and/or apparatus and any other associated equipment and the right to enter for all such purposes as may be necessary with materials, workmen, vehicles and/or equipment.
Executed by
London Southend Airport
Director
Alastair Welch - Managing Director London Southend Airport Company Limited London Southend Airport Southend-on-Sea ESSEX SS2 6YF
Date: 5 NOVEMBER 2012
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If true I wonder how much this is costing Stobart.
If not, cut the cynical quips and wait for the good news.
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I think LTNMan is alluding to rumours that SEN is charging Easyjet very low landing fees at the moment, which some say is the main reason why U2 is championing the base
Nobody can be in any doubt that SEN will have offered EZY a very attractive package in order to establish a base there. Which airport wouldn't in those circumstances?
As far as other new operators are concerned I doubt that they feel very inclined to offer anything above being 'competitive' and, indeed, I cannot see why they would act any differently. I know for a fact this to be the case in one instance so it probably applies in general. All airports know that in the current economic climate they have to be willing to be flexible with the aim of helping to get a route established, which is to both parties' long term advantage of course.
As far as other new operators are concerned I doubt that they feel very inclined to offer anything above being 'competitive' and, indeed, I cannot see why they would act any differently. I know for a fact this to be the case in one instance so it probably applies in general. All airports know that in the current economic climate they have to be willing to be flexible with the aim of helping to get a route established, which is to both parties' long term advantage of course.