SOUTHEND - 3 The new beginning
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Don't know what the fuss is about inactive frames at SEN
Three inactive EZY aircraft and one from MON at LTN middle of last week for most of the day.
Standard for November and late Jan early Feb I should think.
Three inactive EZY aircraft and one from MON at LTN middle of last week for most of the day.
Standard for November and late Jan early Feb I should think.
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Deals are struck after they are considered fair by both interested parties.
LTNman.....please give it a rest......and go away f rom this forum.
Just chill out a little and get some fresh air if you are getting a little hot under the collar.
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Of course I must read all the posts otherwise I cannot comment fairly.
If you can't see that some/most of your views on SEN are sarcastic or negative, then there's no point me saying anymore.
Of course Stobarts (probably) give a very good "promotion" price on landing fees etc for new airlines to come to SEN. Would you not do the same, even it was at a lost in the beginning. All businesses that I know of don't expect to make a profit for the first two years. Well, that's what my accountant always reassured me!
If you can't see that some/most of your views on SEN are sarcastic or negative, then there's no point me saying anymore.
Of course Stobarts (probably) give a very good "promotion" price on landing fees etc for new airlines to come to SEN. Would you not do the same, even it was at a lost in the beginning. All businesses that I know of don't expect to make a profit for the first two years. Well, that's what my accountant always reassured me!
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I think there are a few sensitive souls here.
If I wasn't interested in Southend doing well I would not post here but don't expect me to post pro-Southend bull sh1t just for the sake of it.
If I wasn't interested in Southend doing well I would not post here but don't expect me to post pro-Southend bull sh1t just for the sake of it.
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Of course Stobarts (probably) give a very good "promotion" price on landing
fees etc for new airlines to come to SEN. Would you not do the same,
Short answer is NO!..what's the point in promotional landing fees?..Airlines are going to expect that to continue.
When FR was at BLK, the airport buzzed with the extra pax..When BB introduced the ADF, FR warned them to stop or they would go.
Well the ADF continued and FR left BLK, and I reckon the airport thought 'good riddance'.
No attempt was made to keep FR and BLK, probably because so called concessions (little or no landing fees), was costing the airport good money.
The big problem with promotional landing fees at a revamped airport like SEN, is that after the promotion ends - if pax as not been as expected, the danger is, the airline will go.
Of course Stobarts (probably) give a very good "promotion" price on landing
fees etc for new airlines to come to SEN. Would you not do the same,
When FR was at BLK, the airport buzzed with the extra pax..When BB introduced the ADF, FR warned them to stop or they would go.
Well the ADF continued and FR left BLK, and I reckon the airport thought 'good riddance'.
No attempt was made to keep FR and BLK, probably because so called concessions (little or no landing fees), was costing the airport good money.
The big problem with promotional landing fees at a revamped airport like SEN, is that after the promotion ends - if pax as not been as expected, the danger is, the airline will go.
Well the ADF continued and FR left BLK, and I reckon the airport thought 'good riddance'.
No attempt was made to keep FR and BLK, probably because so called concessions (little or no landing fees), was costing the airport good money.
The big problem with promotional landing fees at a revamped airport like SEN, is that after the promotion ends - if pax as not been as expected, the danger is, the airline will go.
No attempt was made to keep FR and BLK, probably because so called concessions (little or no landing fees), was costing the airport good money.
The big problem with promotional landing fees at a revamped airport like SEN, is that after the promotion ends - if pax as not been as expected, the danger is, the airline will go.
None argument IMO.
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There will be a break out clause for easyjet if they don't want to stay for 10 years even though Stobart will be locked into it as easyjet will be holding the aces.
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There will be a break out clause for easyjet if they don't want to stay for 10 years even though Stobart will be locked into it.
easyjet wouldn't go to the cost of setting up a three aircraft base, with all the time and effort that will have entailed, without doing their research first. No matter what subsidy may have been dangled in front of them by Stobart Air.
It may also be worth considering that (I believe) spare aircraft are a scarce commodity at easyjet..
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Not to mention that BLK and SEN are in no way linked operationally.
No matter I doubt BLK made a penny out of FR, and SEN would be better charging the going rate IMO..If airlines are making money at SEN, that won't be a problem..
they appear to have done well in their first season of operating,
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What both easyjet and Stobart have probably signed is a deal where there is an intention to stay for 10 years which is rather meaningless but where fees and costs to easyjet have been agreed up front.
At the moment that is pure speculation as there has been evidence here that not all services had good loads. A tinkering with times, routes and an upgrade of Southend's part time rail service should pay dividends.
they appear to have done well in their first season of operating
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FR probably had a contract at BLK. but that did not stop them going.
At the moment that is pure speculation as there has been evidence here that not all services had good loads.
Just my 2p worth.
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I think some folk at EMA had the same view as you about easyjet as they had a base there for years. Where is it now?
The future does indeed looks bright for easyjet at Southend but it is best not to get too smug or too sure of yourself.
The future does indeed looks bright for easyjet at Southend but it is best not to get too smug or too sure of yourself.
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Ive never been to Southend so have no loyalty.
Ill let someone else pull your argument apart if they see fit, as I think with your history on this thread its pretty pointless wasting any more time.
Ill let someone else pull your argument apart if they see fit, as I think with your history on this thread its pretty pointless wasting any more time.
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I hope I did not offend you as you have made reasoned points.
Actually Southend is a fascinating fantastic airport. Been there are few times over the years and love all its nooks and crannies. It's a bit like Stansted was in the late 60's early 70's.
In fact, dare I say it here, it is one of my favourite airports. Much better than any large airport like Heathow or Stansted of today.
I can see why the locals are so passionate about the place.
Actually Southend is a fascinating fantastic airport. Been there are few times over the years and love all its nooks and crannies. It's a bit like Stansted was in the late 60's early 70's.
In fact, dare I say it here, it is one of my favourite airports. Much better than any large airport like Heathow or Stansted of today.
I can see why the locals are so passionate about the place.
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LTNman
Can I just make two genuine enquiries of you please?
1) Have you visited or used SEN this year?
2) A question that I asked on the LTN thread but to which I never received a reply:
How long on average does it take to get from aircraft door to the M1, assuming one is parked in the Long Stay car park? Let's assume you have only hand baggage.
Can I just make two genuine enquiries of you please?
1) Have you visited or used SEN this year?
2) A question that I asked on the LTN thread but to which I never received a reply:
How long on average does it take to get from aircraft door to the M1, assuming one is parked in the Long Stay car park? Let's assume you have only hand baggage.
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I might be able to enlighten you expressflight regarding question 2. Last time I used Luton was at the end of July flying in from Gib with hand baggage only. Straight through immigration at about 13.45 hrs straight on a bus to the hire car centre which is more or less next to the long term car park and picked up a car and on the road to Dunstable 7 miles away arriving about 14.30 hrs. So getting to the M1 which I passed underneath I would say 30 minutes but I have known it to be much longer (immigration) perhaps I was lucky but it was July and the Olympics were on!