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Old 20th Aug 2012, 14:52
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BBC have caught up with the TFS delay. It was on Midlands Today at lunchtime

BBC News - Monarch broken aircraft passengers stranded in Tenerife

Have Monarch bitten off more than they can chew with all these delays and subcharters? Have developed BHX at BMIBay's expense is one thing but operating the routes and unreliability is another. All this will play right into FR's hands.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 16:07
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Why should they advise you. You've booked a Monarch flight (ZB flight number) which is exactly what you got.
Not so, because Monarch in their press statement immediately tried to offload the blame to Aurela.

BBC News - Monarch broken aircraft passengers stranded in Tenerife

One does wonder how much support a Lithuanian-based operator receives in the Canary Islands compared to Monarch themselves, as it seems to have taken two days for the AOG spares to be even on their way to the aircraft - all of which points back to the customers receiving something which is not "exactly" what they booked.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 16:21
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Why should they advise you. You've booked a Monarch flight (ZB flight number) which is exactly what you got.
No it isn't. The customer's contract is with Monarch. It's up to them to deal with the problems and advise passengers accordingly, even if they have subcharted the flight out. Remember the op is still Monarch's and whoever is subcharted will be using Monarch's callsign and slot.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 16:26
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Monarch new bases summer 2013

Heard a few people over the last week or so saying that monarch are to base an aircraft at NCL from may 2013...

Anybody know anything about this?
is this aircraft instead of a TCX aircraft are thomas cook chartering out some of it's work to other airlines?
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 17:16
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Remember the op is still Monarch's and whoever is subcharted will be using Monarch's callsign and slot.
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Take your point, but had the a/c been painted in Monarch scheme, but still be a wet lease I actually doubt whether the average passenger would be any the wiser.

The passenger would have got a ZB flight, flown on what looks to all intents and purposes to be a Monarch aircraft.

Did, for example, Syrian Arab have to tell their passengers (many years ago) that their B707 flight was "operated on their behalf by British Midland"? Yes, I'm really showing my age now!
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 18:16
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The A320's don't swap that much - occasionally one will position out on a Tuesday night to Luton with one coming in the opposite direction but mid-July was the last time that happened. The 321's seem to change often but not really checked where and when.
Reason for this is because the two recently aquired A320's are based at BHX for the summer.

Does anyone know when Monarch are going to be taking delivery of new airframes and exactly what they will be?
Not sure what they are but I think there are four more aircraft due to arrive this winter. One of the A300's is also leaving the fleet and possibly one of the A320's but that may become a standby aircraft.

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Take your point, but had the a/c been painted in Monarch scheme, but still be a wet lease I actually doubt whether the average passenger would be any the wiser.
Oh I'm sure they would. The CC and standard of service would be a big give-away.

I for one would be pretty pi$$ed off if I had booked a Monarch flight and some other outfit turns up. I would have booked the Monarch flight in the full knowledge of what to expect from experience. Any pre-planned substitute aircraft is not acceptable to me.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 20:19
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Originally Posted by TSR2
Any pre-planned substitute aircraft is not acceptable to me.
Haven't Monarch had Aurela operating for them all season ?
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 20:51
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Aurela

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It started from BHX in the third week of July.

An A300 has been dispatched from Gatwick to pick up the delayed 733 pax and they should be back by about to 2-3 in the morning.

I have not heard any further news re the 733.

Titan have operated both Aurela flights today.

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Old 20th Aug 2012, 21:10
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The A320 is leaving in November along with the A300.
Two new a/c in March and two more new a/c in April.
Still looking for others to join the fleet, for next summer.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 21:41
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harer92 posted in post #440 a link to an interview with Jochen Schnadt (Monarch's Commercial Director) about Monarch's fleet plans. In it he says that the company plans to increase the fleet to 38 for next summer. With 32 at the moment (excluding current leases) and 1 x A300 and 1 x A320 due to go at the end of this summer that will bring the fleet down to 30. I make that 8 more airframes by next summer if everything goes to plan
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 21:41
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So will those 4 new aircraft be brand new or will be from other airlines?
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 21:47
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So will those 4 new aircraft be brand new or will be from other airlines?
Probably other airlines. Don't know where from but I could say possibly the three TOM Airbuses.

Looks like the A320 on for standby is not happening then.
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Old 20th Aug 2012, 21:52
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Brand new from airbus.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 06:11
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Still looking for others to join the fleet, for next summer.
So another summer of subcharters then? Surely Monarch now have the time to search for some aircraft to avoid this.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 09:09
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No, crewmeal. The subcharters this year were in response to the opportunity presented by the demise of Baby. The plans for next year are far enough in advance for Monarch to have their own aircraft and crew. The aircraft will be a mix of new and 2nd hand but all owned/leased by Monarch. You normally need a minimum of 6 months notice to get flight crew in and trained. Clearly that wasn't possible this summer.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 09:57
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Hear they have also signed a big contract with the MOD
When's this going to confirmed / announced then?
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 10:55
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Quite a few seemed to think HiFly had secured it.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 16:02
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Brand new from airbus.
Maybe A320's as there are going to be two A320's based at LBA next year. Hopefully AGP and ALC will also start there soon don't see why they are not doing two very popular holiday destinations from LBA.
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Old 21st Aug 2012, 16:20
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I can understand why Monarch not looking at AGP or ALC routes from LBA next summer as they are already well served. Jet2 are going up to 3x daily on certain weekends next summer using a mix of Boeing 757-200's, Boeing 737-300's and Boeing 737-800's. Meanwhile Ryanair also operate both routes with daily service to AGP and 4x weekly service to ALC.

Whats the point of Monarch trying against that lot?
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