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Old 15th Sep 2017, 15:17
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Originally Posted by 1994Heavy
Good source being someone who works there?
Very strong rumour they are looking at using the new max aircraft on a number of routes to certain South American countries these include Bolivia , Patagonia and Uruguay as these countries are at present are very under represented in the low cost market and offer real opportunity for growth according to my sauce

A senior monarch sauce has stated we are at present in a bit of a pickle and these new routes could really cut the mustard with the new breed of outwood looking post brexit travellers keen to taste what the brave new post brexit world offers
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 15:23
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Sounds more like Monarch are about to open a fast food outlet.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 17:17
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.....with the new breed of outwood looking post brexit travellers keen to taste what the brave new post brexit world offers
Seriously!? Because before Brexit no one was aware of South America? Why would you want to go on a 73Max across the south Atlantic (tech stop required?) when you can go to most places in S America from Madrid with many carriers on a wide body? Perhaps you weren't being serious.

I do wish everyone well at Monarch and hope any rumoured announcements are positive....I know what it's like to live with years of uncertainty in this industry - and then have the worse happen.

Just looked at BA. LHR to Santiago direct (14+ hours on B789 - 850 return......)
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 17:19
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Well World Routes is only a week away - will they announce something there (what better stage)
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 18:37
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Does anybody other than the organisers actually take these conventions seriously?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:06
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I take it you've never been SWBKCB....nothing ever gets decided there but it's a chance for airports to plant seeds of ideas with airlines or for ongoing conversations to be continued or revisited. Where else do you get the chance to have route opportunity conversations with 30-40 different airlines/airports over 3 days?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:23
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I was talking about the "what better stage" comment - preaching to the converted.

Still think they're more jolly than necessity.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:07
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Originally Posted by A4
Seriously!? Because before Brexit no one was aware of South America? Why would you want to go on a 73Max across the south Atlantic (tech stop required?) when you can go to most places in S America from Madrid with many carriers on a wide body? Perhaps you weren't being serious.

I do wish everyone well at Monarch and hope any rumoured announcements are positive....I know what it's like to live with years of uncertainty in this industry - and then have the worse happen.

Just looked at BA. LHR to Santiago direct (14+ hours on B789 - 850 return......)

Perhaps i wasn't being serious ......what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander or is that source for the goose and sauce for the gander ?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:35
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Having transited Gander but not Goose, passengers do not want to tech stop at these out of the way spots but want to fly non-stop in a long haul aircraft. The weather in the Azores can be also very poor .
I would imagine that following the devastation in the Caribbean and Florida caused by the hurricanes the airline is thankful we are currently absent from the region. Hurricane season still has over a month to go.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 23:43
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Originally Posted by A4
Seriously!? Because before Brexit no one was aware of South America? Why would you want to go on a 73Max across the south Atlantic (tech stop required?) when you can go to most places in S America from Madrid with many carriers on a wide body? Perhaps you weren't being serious.
Please tell me you know the poster was joking ?

On a serious note though, I'm expecting to hear a couple of new (not long haul) routes added to the summer 18 schedule by the end of the month / early October.

Monarch are also due to renew their ATOL by the end of September, so i'm sure we'll be hearing something on that front too.

Despite the recent announcement of the pre-tax losses (which were attributed by the writing off of costs associated with the current aircraft lease agreements and combining these numbers into one single set of results), there's actually alot to be positive about at Monarch at the minute, i'm not sure for the want of negativity from some on here?
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 06:15
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South America

As much chance of Monarch operating there on the MAXs as there will be a non eventful ATOL renewal.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 07:49
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In an airline world where people think working for Easy or Ryanair is the cream of the crop it's easy to see why they want Monarch to fold ,
Even though Monarch basically scrapes along it still has some sort of respect for its staff and provides one of the best aviation jobs in Europe .
I think people hate this especially when there company makes a billion profit but they are not seeing any reward .
Also I think a huge proportion of guys on this forum are non-Pilots that sit on there computer chair , in hand and prey on people's source of income & wellbeing to make themselves feel better that they never made the grade !
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 09:54
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Originally Posted by lagerlout
As much chance of Monarch operating there on the MAXs as there will be a non eventful ATOL renewal.
The ATOL renewal will be purely for the holidays sold not on tickets.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 10:15
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Monarch have "survived" in this industry for approaching 50 years. That doesn't happen unless you are doing something right! Dozens and dozens of other carriers in the UK have come and gone in that time! Somebody in the business knows how to "hang on in there"! Some might call it luck rather than judgement but the bottom line is, somehow they are still here! With major wobbles in both 2014 and 2016 nobody either in the airline or outside has a crystal ball to predict the future. My own view is that owners Greybull aren't in the business to make just pennies. They want a very big return on turning the business around. Can they do it as a stand alone operator or will they sell to the highest bidder in an ever congested market where airports are rapidly filling up? We can speculate as much as we like about that, but right now they are still in business, taking delivery of 45 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft over the next five years and that is it! Speculate all you like, however what you might be thinking compared to what Greybull are planning are two completely separate issues. Personally I have my own thoughts but there is no point in any further speculative nonsense is there? Let's concentrate perhaps on the fact that they are "one of the survivors" of an industry littered with failures since the 1960s and celebrate that success during their 50th Anniversary next year and perhaps hope that they'll successfully steer a safe and profitable path through the next 50 years! Who knows? How many other major UK carriers can you name that are still in business trading under their original name after so long? Other than Monarch I'm struggling to think of any - and that's a fact! OK I might just accept Aurigny or Loganair!

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Old 16th Sep 2017, 10:55
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Quite easy to keep a business going when for the vast majority of the time a profit wasn't a pre requisite. Time for a new Monarch to stand on its own and exist as a going concern rather than at the behest of rich benefactors.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 11:13
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Still dirty money behind the scenes so I'm quietly optimistic
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 08:29
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what a load of nonsense about 737max being used for OM long haul -

I agree the max8 has long legs but the 9 trades range as usual for payload unless an extra aux fuel tank is fitted - likewise with max10

i cannot foresee any L/H markets that OM would want to place their rather fragile eggs on
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 13:06
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Still dirty money behind the scenes so I'm quietly optimistic
You seem obsessed with 'dirty money' behind the scenes stuff as in your post 4097!

What's going on in your mind that compels you to continually mentioning this sort of statement?
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 15:24
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money obtained unlawfully or immorally.
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 16:32
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Presumably you mean tax avoidance, tax evasion, or money laundering. Core business for the 'Wealth Management' business in the City.
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