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Old 4th Sep 2017, 10:37
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The collapse in the must eventually lead to a fall in the number of second and third holidays. I think there will be a shortage of PAX, not seats.
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Old 4th Sep 2017, 12:07
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I think most people are prepared to take the hit ..whats the alternative ? 2 weeks in a miserable wet and windy blighty
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 20:18
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Where does everyone see the future with Monarch? Merge? LH? New bases?
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Old 5th Sep 2017, 22:53
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I think in order to survive long term a merger is likely
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 04:08
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There's no upside to anyone else in merging with Monarch. They need to carve out a niche somehow but the idea that easyJet or another would in any way want to take on Monarch would be a surprise.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 07:09
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LH is definitely needed at MON without it I think the airline is a sinking ship !
But don't underestimate the spending power of greybull , they have very deep pockets and believe it or not have made money from MON ,
I believe there is also something dodgy happening behind the scenes with greybull/mantagezza
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 07:23
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But hasn't the Mantagezza family totally sold out to Greybull?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 07:35
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Yes they have on paper , but in reality they know each other very well !
I believe one of the sons of greybull is marrying a daughter of mantagazza

All pretty greasy Italian money spreading
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 07:46
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Being personal friends or even closer means nothing, why would anyone from the Mantagezza family want to get involved with Monarch again be it directly or via Greybull.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 08:20
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Because the family will
Make a great deal of money from the boeings
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 09:19
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
There's no upside to anyone else in merging with Monarch. They need to carve out a niche somehow but the idea that easyJet or another would in any way want to take on Monarch would be a surprise.
Except of course that Monarch hold hard-to-come-by slots at LGW and LTN.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 10:59
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And a lot at Manchester at prime times to add to AirportPlanner1
There is no way Monarch should get back into LH as there are enough
operators in the market with BA/VC/TCX/Norwegian/TOM/Rouge and TSC plus
Primera joining as they have just about all the viable long haul covered
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 15:06
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The nature of Monarch's programme means it would be hard to build a daily schedule around their portfolio. Not that great an asset.
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 16:29
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the long haul ship for Monarch has sailed long ago

there is no competitive LH or LH charter market left that is not fraught with economical and commercial dangers - the world is no longer stable enough and too many new boys on the block and legacy carriers competing with and on leisure routes

if it was my airline (and I am proud to have worked for Monarch in its heyday) I see any risk exposure to these markets would be suicidal

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Old 6th Sep 2017, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Snapper5
Because the family will
Make a great deal of money from the boeings
How will they do that?
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 16:55
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Via sale and leaseback, supposedly they will get $4mill per airframe so around $180 mil in 2022 when the final max is delivered
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Old 6th Sep 2017, 17:55
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dont think that means that

greybull or whosoever is investing the dosh buy the airframes from Boeing then sell them back to them or a leasing co. and then lease them back to monarch
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 17:34
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I think they have to change something they can't just keep on competing with ryanair and easyjet. What do people think they should do?
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Monarch need to do exactly what Jet2 are doing. Create a respectable family brand.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 20:42
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Originally Posted by 1994Heavy
I think they have to change something they can't just keep on competing with ryanair and easyjet. What do people think they should do?
Well they do have to compete with them too as this is the industry they're all in, but i get what you're saying...

I have however mentioned many things in my post above. It's not so much in what they need to do so differently. They are, contrary to the doom and gloom from some on here, actually doing quite well. Monarch have already got a good thing going and they're on the right path again since the streamlining a couple years back or so. I agree of course they could be doing even better though.

They need to play more on their strengths and not be afraid in showing them off to their full potential. Monarch Holidays, Vantage Club, a respectful route network, 50 years of experience, Monarch Engineering to name but just a few of the things they as a company have to be proud of and should be using more to their benefit.

I feel once the 737 Max-8's arrive, we'll see Monarch head to new places in more ways than one. Again, as I mentioned a few posts back, they should focusing on niche routes from their current bases whilst still of course keeping a foothold in their bread and butter sunshine routes. However, with their current mix of aircraft i feel it will have been hard to venture into these types of routes - mainly because of aircraft size, but also complexity in schedulling where a A320 / A321 will need to end up flying to before / afterwards.
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