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Dublin first month (May): 65% load factor, assuming all the ATR-72's were 72 seat capacity.
BOH saw a 9.1% increase in pax for May'12. 73,994 pax carried.
Vancouver is listed as a route during May with 1,533 pax carried - anyone know why?!
BOH saw a 9.1% increase in pax for May'12. 73,994 pax carried.
Vancouver is listed as a route during May with 1,533 pax carried - anyone know why?!
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Really good to see the passenger figures increasing finally after a few very poor years
New routes from Ryanair saw Rhodes at 80 % and Malta at 86 % load factor while Carcassone and Wraclow not available at the moment
Thomson saw good figures on all there services as usual with there new route to Mahon at 91 % load factor
Dublin i think was slightly less than 65 % running at 57 % load factor but a fantastic start to a well established route again
All we need now is Ryanair to fill in the missing 3 months with the Spanish routes but some how i dont think so again making it 3 years now without a winter operation .
Bring in Monarch on a W pattern to have a go the demand is there !
New routes from Ryanair saw Rhodes at 80 % and Malta at 86 % load factor while Carcassone and Wraclow not available at the moment
Thomson saw good figures on all there services as usual with there new route to Mahon at 91 % load factor
Dublin i think was slightly less than 65 % running at 57 % load factor but a fantastic start to a well established route again
All we need now is Ryanair to fill in the missing 3 months with the Spanish routes but some how i dont think so again making it 3 years now without a winter operation .
Bring in Monarch on a W pattern to have a go the demand is there !
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Bring in Monarch on a W pattern to have a go the demand is there !
MarkeyD: What are you basing this assumption on????
Do you think Palmair have ceased to be due to an excess of demand? Or that Thomson reduce their flying programme in the winter & Ryanair suspend operations for 3 months each year for a similar reason?
What little demand exists in the winter is usually on very low yields which make little or no economic sense for airlines. It is not just BOH but the whole industry that suffers this annually & with the recession at present it's making things worse.
I appreciate it's tough to support your local airport when there isn't much flying out of it in the winter & I'm sure the commercial types will be doing all possible to attract more business, but airlines are not charities.
If & when the upturn comes then things will improve no doubt for the entire industry. Until then be grateful to hang on to what you have as a number of airfields are struggling to manage that.
MarkeyD: What are you basing this assumption on????
Do you think Palmair have ceased to be due to an excess of demand? Or that Thomson reduce their flying programme in the winter & Ryanair suspend operations for 3 months each year for a similar reason?
What little demand exists in the winter is usually on very low yields which make little or no economic sense for airlines. It is not just BOH but the whole industry that suffers this annually & with the recession at present it's making things worse.
I appreciate it's tough to support your local airport when there isn't much flying out of it in the winter & I'm sure the commercial types will be doing all possible to attract more business, but airlines are not charities.
If & when the upturn comes then things will improve no doubt for the entire industry. Until then be grateful to hang on to what you have as a number of airfields are struggling to manage that.
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I totally agree with your comments and was just a bit frustrated that there looks to be another 3 month gap in the Bournemouth calendar , good valid points you make !
I might be doing load factors completely wrong Shamrock ! my understanding was that Dublin showed 2237 pax in and out which makes an average of 41 pax per flight and a 57 % load factor given it was a 72 seater aircraft
I totally agree with your comments and was just a bit frustrated that there looks to be another 3 month gap in the Bournemouth calendar , good valid points you make !
I might be doing load factors completely wrong Shamrock ! my understanding was that Dublin showed 2237 pax in and out which makes an average of 41 pax per flight and a 57 % load factor given it was a 72 seater aircraft
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Thank you Commit, glad to see there is someone else not living in cloud coukoo land. Successful regional airports such as Birmingham, Southampton, Aberdeen are all consoldating their route expansion at the moment yet amazingly people think a backwater airport like bournemouth can sustain a yeild rich flight programme in the winter months 
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Interesting stats
Compared to its immediate local competitors, BOH carries more INTL pax
CAA MAY 12 INTL PAX
BOH 71,000
SOU 55,000
EXT 47,000
CAA MAY 11 INTL PAX
BOH 67,000
SOU 60,000
EXT 49,000
CAA MAY 12 INTL PAX
BOH 71,000
SOU 55,000
EXT 47,000
CAA MAY 11 INTL PAX
BOH 67,000
SOU 60,000
EXT 49,000
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Dublin Route
The load factor figures for the Dublin route might be a bit tricky to work out, I have seen it operated on a number of days in May with the smaller ATR-42, so I would assume that they didn't need the capacity on those days for the larger 72. The vast majority of times it is the 72 though.
On a slightly separate note, does anyone know what the Monarch A320 was doing at BOH today?? Not sure what time it arrived, but it took off just before us around lunch time.
On a slightly separate note, does anyone know what the Monarch A320 was doing at BOH today?? Not sure what time it arrived, but it took off just before us around lunch time.
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Pleased to see you readily live up to the head in the clouds mentality on the Bournemouth thread Nakata77.
What is it with you guys, is the word yeild like cryptonite to you? It doesn't matter if you have a million more passengers than the other regionals, if they are paying 1p a flight on Ryanair as apposed to 60k passengers paying £100 plus at the others then it is irrelevant isn't it
What is it with you guys, is the word yeild like cryptonite to you? It doesn't matter if you have a million more passengers than the other regionals, if they are paying 1p a flight on Ryanair as apposed to 60k passengers paying £100 plus at the others then it is irrelevant isn't it
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The Monarch A320 was operating a flight to Maderia on behalf of Atlantic Holidays the 2nd flight operates in September
Small Planet operated to Dubrovnik and Oporto today
A small observation was Bournemouth had 29 arrival / departures today not bad for a " backwater " airport
River Joint i would suggest that you stop reading the Bournemouth thread and commenting on it as its obviously sending you into orbit every time , channel your efforts into other threads
Small Planet operated to Dubrovnik and Oporto today
A small observation was Bournemouth had 29 arrival / departures today not bad for a " backwater " airport
River Joint i would suggest that you stop reading the Bournemouth thread and commenting on it as its obviously sending you into orbit every time , channel your efforts into other threads
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Rivet Joint. Whilst you have a point that yields are important, yields clearly arent a problem for Ryanair and Thomson as they have retained a presence at the airport for a number of years.
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Why is BOH being called a "backward" airport and a "backwater" airport.
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My post was merely a response to Markeyd's question of why bournemouth has a "3 month down period" in the winter months.
Aeromad, no one is taking joy or exuding superiority over anyone, such things as yield matter when running a business. Don't shoot the messenger
. I did enjoy you undermining your point by highlighting a simple spelling mistake though 
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Aeromad, no one is taking joy or exuding superiority over anyone, such things as yield matter when running a business. Don't shoot the messenger
. I did enjoy you undermining your point by highlighting a simple spelling mistake though .
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Come on guys, lets all get along.
In my opinion (and purely from the airport perspective) the volume of passengers is more important in these tight economic times than the yield. It doesnt matter if a pax paid 1p or 100quid, the additional volume assists airports in terms of jobs, revenue from ancillary sales in the airport, tourism and local economic prosperity through use of public transport (train and bus), car-hire, taxi, car-parking payments. Every pax counts. And if BOH sees most of its pax going outbound then it assists in terms of gov tax payments! Lol
The point one could raise about BOH carrying more International volumes than its rivals would be related to potential for further growth. Especially when one considers that some main International destinations are not even served and never have been served correctly. e.g AMS (3 daily by KLM would be ideal for the market although BE's new partnership with them from SOU may scupper this)
In my opinion (and purely from the airport perspective) the volume of passengers is more important in these tight economic times than the yield. It doesnt matter if a pax paid 1p or 100quid, the additional volume assists airports in terms of jobs, revenue from ancillary sales in the airport, tourism and local economic prosperity through use of public transport (train and bus), car-hire, taxi, car-parking payments. Every pax counts. And if BOH sees most of its pax going outbound then it assists in terms of gov tax payments! Lol
The point one could raise about BOH carrying more International volumes than its rivals would be related to potential for further growth. Especially when one considers that some main International destinations are not even served and never have been served correctly. e.g AMS (3 daily by KLM would be ideal for the market although BE's new partnership with them from SOU may scupper this)
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Firstly I will state I have no axe to grind with BOH or any regional airport: I believe they have an important role to play now & increasingly so if / when we get out of our current economic malaise.
However Shamrock to suggest yield is unimportant is I fear a little naive.
If you earned £2000 a month but had bills totalling £2100 a month would you consider that unimportant? Maybe if it was only a month or two because the car had broken down & you normally spent less than you earned then okay but long term you'd have a problem!
It's no different for an airport or an airline. Sure airports can (& do) attract airlines by offering deals but the running costs still need to be paid. Airlines can (& do) lower fares to attract more passengers (especially out of season) but the pilots & cabin crew don't fly for free (although some "Low Cost" folk feel like they do I suspect!) & the fuel to get you there still costs the same.
Apologies if I am teaching you to suck eggs (& to any airline economists who will correctly state its a little more complex than that!)
Lesson over for the day!
However Shamrock to suggest yield is unimportant is I fear a little naive.
If you earned £2000 a month but had bills totalling £2100 a month would you consider that unimportant? Maybe if it was only a month or two because the car had broken down & you normally spent less than you earned then okay but long term you'd have a problem!
It's no different for an airport or an airline. Sure airports can (& do) attract airlines by offering deals but the running costs still need to be paid. Airlines can (& do) lower fares to attract more passengers (especially out of season) but the pilots & cabin crew don't fly for free (although some "Low Cost" folk feel like they do I suspect!) & the fuel to get you there still costs the same.
Apologies if I am teaching you to suck eggs (& to any airline economists who will correctly state its a little more complex than that!)
Lesson over for the day!