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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:37
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The coach from Stewart is 95 mins. From Belfast to Dublin is 2hrs at best, from my house by car add another 30 mins. BFS is on my doorstep. Yes connections aren't there but we've lost one and gained two.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:44
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wonder if this would put off a so-called 'legacy' returning? For those with existing legacy carriers, what effect will creaming off all the economy pax do?!
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:48
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I'd doubt another carrier will. I'd say there's room for 1, imao. However if demand is there then there's a case for another. I daresay the summer capacity will be insufficient for demand for NY, given UA's capacity and loads.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:50
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Stewart is closer to Manhattan over NI to DUB.

I have looked at the airports ground transportation and there is a train service to grand central via a place called "Beacon" this train takes around an hour.

Rest of NI to Dublin airport is around 2-3 hours.

We're not all an hour away.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:53
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Husky One you may not have flown with Norwegian on their 738's, but they are in a different league to FR or for that matter easyJet in terms of legroom and on board service, there is no sell sell sell mantra and when the wifi is installed it amazing how the time goes by, the already do 7 hours routes from LPA to the likes of Northern Norway and Helsinki and Stockholm to Dubai, this is a new era and I have no idea if it will work, but few would bet against norwegian not making it work, the price will be the key, but i agree it wont replace a legacy carrier operating to a main airport, if Belfast goes well who knows Norwegian might grow the route into a daily dream liner service...to JFK a route that would pull traffic from South of the border if the price is right, one thing is for sure passengers getting of a Norwegian max onto a FR interior colour scheme that makes your eyes bleed will be in for a shock
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:55
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Lost one gained two? Might look good on paper in a literal sense. In terms of real annual movements, pax etc that would only wash in BIA's boardroom. Belfast to Dublin Airport is 1hr 45 on a bad day by bus. Unfortunately that's where I can get connections to pretty much anywhere I need to be. This is a niche offering that caters to a limited market. United wasn't. Let's not pretend otherwise.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:57
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We are not all located in Belfast or County Down!!!!!
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 16:59
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Exactly INKJET. Now FR are nowhere near as bad as they were but I flew to LGW last week both ways and I still feel the need for sunglasses ��. Friends of mine have done San Francisco with Norwegian and said the service and comfort was wonderful better than EI, they been to Chicago via Dub in Dec with EI and on the outbound told me the crew were terrible, gossiping the whole way and virtually ignoring pax, this after I'd recommend them!
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:00
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Owen- So you'd rather get to BFS, fly to Stewart, probably night stop, then get one/maybe two connecting flights to get to other US destinations than get a bus to Dublin and have it all taken care of from that point.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:02
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Originally Posted by mart901
Exactly INKJET. Now FR are nowhere near as bad as they were but I flew to LGW last week both ways and I still feel the need for sunglasses ��. Friends of mine have done San Francisco with Norwegian and said the service and comfort was wonderful better than EI, they been to Chicago via Dub in Dec with EI and on the outbound told me the crew were terrible, gossiping the whole way and virtually ignoring pax, this after I'd recommend them!
Well this is a 737 with 189 seats so it will be in the short haul European configuration, this is vastly different to their long haul product.

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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:11
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In a brand new aircraft with the new Boeing interior and I'm not sure it will be 189, probably less.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:21
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Originally Posted by mart901
In a brand new aircraft with the new Boeing interior and I'm not sure it will be 189, probably less.
Has anyone tried a dummy booking to see what the seat map is like?

https://leehamnews.com/2016/09/14/ma...ross-atlantic/

This article written in September 2016 suggests a realistic load is 168 when replicating the premium/econ seat % on the 787-8. Take it with a pinch of salt if you wish but it makes sense when you read the numbers.

This off course assumes the MAX will be ETOPS certified by June. If it isn't these routes may have to start on 737-800's with blocked seats.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:22
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The cheap fares didn't last long. Dearer than EI to JFK on almost all comparable dates in July
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:23
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The ball park figure of 189 came from the seat map. Although perhaps that is their standard map that they are using for interim?
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:36
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Look like the Boston route is seasonal, (DUB/ORK/SNN/EDI) all routes released for winter 17/18.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:38
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Originally Posted by owenc
The ball park figure of 189 came from the seat map. Although perhaps that is their standard map that they are using for interim?
I'm surprised they aren't testing the market for premium econ, even if only a small number of seats. If the first batch of MAX's are going trans-atlantic from EDI, ORK, SNN, DUB and BFS there is bound to be enough demand for them. The standard 737-800 isn't going to cut it so a small sub-fleet with a different configuration shouldn't add a huge overhead.

I must admit this is a ballsy move. Sticking a new engine straight into service over the pond with a very small sub-fleet of aircraft that can fullfil the service requirements. Hopefully it doesn't go as badly as the 787 introduction to service with delays and wet leases being a regular occurrance.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:39
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I concur. I was expecting something in and around 160-170 seats, 189 seems risky.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 17:40
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It's 186 seats....
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 18:17
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MAX 8, or 800 MAX, 8 MAX or whatever it is now, will have 180 min ETOPS capability at certification currently scheduled before the end of March. Norwegian [Air International] already has ETOPS 180 approval for a subfleet of EI-reg 737-800s so the paperwork should read across to the MAX
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 19:09
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These routes are poor replacements for EWR, that's for sure. No connections, far from where most people actually want to go, small aircraft which will probably cause issues in winter, all on a service just as expensive as UA/EI most of the time (all cheap fares gone now).

It's something alright, but god it's nothing compared to a proper service on a full service airline.

I wish the route well though, if PVD can last in Cork I doubt it'll have any issue lasting in BFS
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