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[paully]

There are many people, happily flying with BA, to mention but one,longhaul all over the world on their 767 and 747 fleet. Most are blissfully unaware that the aircraft is the same age, or older in some cases, as a lot of the Jet2 fleet.

They have no qualms because BA is a trusted brand and the standard of engineering is excellent. Ditto Jet2. I think people mention the age simply out of ignorance or to do them down tbh...

Last year flew on G-CELJ and G-LSAA..both venerable, but the cabins were immaculate, very comfortable, good legroom and excellent crews..I hope they prosper for many years to come..

[EK77WNCL]

My comment got deleted again, hence many haven't seen it, but I shall reiterate so people know where I stand:

I was not putting Jet2 down in any way, I have flown on 3 or 4 of their 757's including their oldest two, 'AG and 'AH... 'AG is my favourite aircraft in the fleet, possibly my favourite 757 and I hope it stays in the LS fleet for a lot longer.

I've also flown on some of their oldest 733's, among others, there is 'CELU, CELX and 4 flights on 'CELO. I also flew on the comparatively young 'GDFK - pre winglets and I couldn't tell any difference at all. Immaculate.

I want to try out a 738 and I'm after 'GDFD, 'GDFF and/or 'GDFJ

[HH6702]

Thomas Cook airlines for sale???

Could Jet2 be buying up Thomas Cook airlines which are rumoured to be up for sale??

Could it be a deal with Thomas Cook where jet2 takes on more of the flying from there current bases or opening up new ones ??

[SWBKCB]

Oh great, another avenue for speculation...

Presumably Thomas Cook would want to dispose of all its airlines (so Condor, Scandi, etc as well as TCX), so would seem a bit rich for Jet2

Anyway, lets wait until we actually know what's happening, otherwise there's always Airliners.net if you really can't wait...

[TSR2]

'AG is my favourite aircraft in the fleet, possibly my favourite 757 and I hope it stays in the LS fleet for a lot longer.

How on earth as a passenger do you assess an aircraft from within a fleet to become a favourite ?

[Mr Mac]

Paully
The inside as in seats are generally OK but if you look around doors and partitions they are tired A/C, though as you say well maintained. Also I agree BA also have A/C of similar age to some of Jet 2 A/C though I have to say when I used to fly BA, I did not come across one which appeared to have paint applied by brush strokes rather than spraying on the inside of the cabin, as I did last year on an old 737- 400 into Man.


Regards
Mr Mac

[Facelookbovvered]

There is nothing wrong with the interiors of Jet2 fleet based on my own experience as a passenger, they seem to have created extra legroom with the new style seats which despite being thin are ok for a couple of hours, a few seem to have dispensed with one of the rear toilets which is a novel idea.

The policy of buying old seems to work for them, but its not all sweetness and light, they have to have back up aircraft dotted around, with crews, ditto engineering, but on the whole it seems to work for their target market, which is bucket and spades and city breaks, a market that tends to be forgiving of delays and turn backs in a way that high frequency city pairs wouldn't be, it all about knowing your market and your customers. Good on them

[EK77WNCL]

I am extremely impressed with what Jet2 have done. They don't touch London at all under their own brand.

I sometimes forget and find it hard to believe they have a fleet of almost 60 aircraft. Who'd've thunk there was actually demand from the regions...

[El Bunto]

How on earth as a passenger do you assess an aircraft from within a fleet to become a favourite ?

Why wouldn't passengers have a favourite? They're the ones that have to sit inert and bored for hours on end and start to notice the little quirks.

There was one of Jersey European's F27s that I always preferred ( G-JEAI? Was that it? Long time ago ) because the props always seemed to stay in sync better than on others, therefore preventing that head-splitting out-of-phase effect.

I also have their 146 G-JEAM stuck in my head for a reason but can't remember why. It must have had some annoying quirk; perhaps it whined more than usual.

Edit: also I've heard passengers mention that Aer Lingus' A330 EI-ORD never 'rode' right after it had a run-in with bad turbulence. Never flew on that one myself but eventually it was scrapped, only the second A330 to meet that fate.

Some passengers are more observant than an LD3 container.

[Ivan aromer]

Jet2 Palma

Better ask for start when on short finals then😄

[Jet2_738]

Edinburgh

Having had a look through the destinations that LS fly to, I can't help but think that EDI is a little hard done by in terms of your trunk bucket and spade routes. I mean I know that these are covered by GLA - which is about 50mi away, however having said that, MAN and LBA have an equal distance between them.

I guess that the 737-300QC's would probably have to have a tech stop down route, however it appears that G-GDFK is based there at the moment, a 737-300WL. These aircraft (usually G-GDFN) operate the route from BFS to TFS, LPA, and ACE. Could sister aircraft G-GDFK not operate a route from EDI, to TFS maybe as part of Jet2holidays 2 to 3 times a week?? Or maybe even move a 737-800 up there.

There's still a market in EDI, something Jet2 have seen since they opened the base there many years ago. It is as if GLA pops up as the newest base, and has already got 28 routes, as opposed to EDI's 17 (the poorest base in terms of destinations). It makes sense as one of Jet2holidays' prime destinations is TFS, and they meet this by serving it from every base - except EDI!

Not only would it serve as some competition for GLA, and possibly drive prices down for consumers between the bases, but Jet2 would go up against the likes of FR and EZY, as they have done, and very successfully so at MAN.

Should Jet2 not make strengthening their current bases their priority, as opposed to what some people are suggesting in opening a brand new base - which makes no sense for a LCC, especially when you've already got the ground staff, handlers, engineers and aircraft up in EDI?

[SWBKCB]

Not only would it serve as some competition for GLA, and possibly drive prices down for consumers between the bases

and the benefit of this to Jet2 is what?

[CabinCrewe]

EZY and FR are more than making up on the routes at EDI that Jet 2 dont serve.

[Jet2_738]

The benefit to Jet2 ultimately is with the airports close together, they tend to compete with one another. For example, if a 14nt holiday from GLA is £2100, yet the same holiday, just with flights from EDI instead is £1900, passengers will tend to travel the difference to save money. Now, as EDI is competing on the route, at a lower price, GLA will lower its price also, in order to compete. The advantage to Jet2 is that; 1: They have greater capacity on their holidays, and 2: The consumer saves money. And if the consumer saves money, they are more likely to travel again in the near future with Jet2, and of course the more passengers, the more profit in the long run.

- EZY and FR are certainly making up on the route - but they can't offer holidays, and thus don't have the ABTA AND ATOL protection that Jet2holidays offer. Essentially, customers travelling on a route from maybe EDI - TFS, will 99% of the time be going on holiday. Passengers will tend to go package, as opposed to flight only + hotel only, and the only LCC that can offer such thing would be Jet2. I suppose you could say it is one of their KSP's, which wins them many passengers, time and time again over the likes of FR and EZY.

[janeyTA]

EZY do sell holidays, and although they're not Atol holders, their customers money is protected by insurance through International Passenger Protection. There are less and less people booking packages to bucket and space destinations because they're so restrictive, and often more expensive. It's easy to get an agent to tailor a package for you, or to book a flight plus online, or just DIY.

[Jet2_738]

EZY do offer holidays, though essentially they are Flight+Hotel. The snag though with Easyjet holidays is that you might see an attractive price, but you might not realise that you have to pay this upfront. A lot of Britons would simply never be able to go on holiday if that had to pay often in excess of £2,000 on the spot. The good thing with Jet2holidays is that you can secure a holiday for just a £60pp deposit, and then have the balance paid 10 weeks before departure. This offers a hell of a lot more flexibility - with the ability to pay £10 here and £20 there.

The only other way you could do such thing, is through a travel agent. The problem with that is, the agent will add their commission onto the total price, often around £300, and all of that is their profit to keep. To book directly with Jet2holidays online, you cut out the middle man, abolish the £300+ commission, and you'll find that you are probably better off for doing so!

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Jet2 738, I'm not sure where you are going with this. Jet2 have such an operation at Edinburgh historically because of the 737QCs. I'm sure they could expand capacity with B738s, but they are engaging EZY and RYR, both well entrenched at EDI. EZY had plenty of opportunity to have the bucket and spade market at Glasgow, especially following the demise of Flyglobespan, but chose EDI to expand at, they saw better yields there no doubt. RYR saw that EZY were into main airports, and initially focused on Ireland, Poland etc, before muscling in on bucket and spade. Much later, when RYR saw the success EXS are having at GLA, they approached GLA, who long resisted the temptation to drop their keks for the Harp boys. The loser is PIK, given the finite market.

EDI benefits from a robust inbound market, especially from Europe. GLA's strength is outbound holidays, and the airlines, like the public, play to their strengths.

I understand Jet2 are delighted with business at GLA, just as EZY are happy with business at EDI. RYR are now at both, though most folks can see RYR getting into the bucket and spade market in a big way over the next few years. It makes sense.

FWIW, EZY have 33 routes out of EDI, GLA have 19.

RYR have 34 routes out of EDI, and 9 from Glasgow.

So go figure.

There may be room for EXS to expand at EDI, but its not for you (or me) to decide.

[dreamair]

Well its looking like a widebody replacement for the A330 isn't happening. I was booked on A330 flights in July. Just been on my booking section of jet2's website and its now showing single aisle aircraft both ways for my flights. Going out its got 37 rows and 4 overwing exits. Thats too long for a 737-800 so that must be the Privilege Style 757. Coming back its 42 rows so that's the standard configuration of Jet2's own 757's.

[janeyTA]

EZY do offer holidays, though essentially they are Flight+Hotel. The snag though with Easyjet holidays is that you might see an attractive price, but you might not realise that you have to pay this upfront.

EZY do sell packages, and you can pay deposits on their holidays.

The problem with that is, the agent will add their commission onto the total price, often around £300, and all of that is their profit to keep. To book directly with Jet2holidays online, you cut out the middle man, abolish the £300+ commission

How much commission the agency gets depends on which tour operators holiday, the price of that holiday, and which agency they are. It would have to be a fairish booking to get £300+, and the agent doesn't add the commission on top of what they book. The tour operators pay them their % commission.

[brian_dromey]

The benefit to Jet2 ultimately is with the airports close together, they tend to compete with one another. For example, if a 14nt holiday from GLA is £2100, yet the same holiday, just with flights from EDI instead is £1900, passengers will tend to travel the difference to save money. Now, as EDI is competing on the route, at a lower price, GLA will lower its price also, in order to compete. The advantage to Jet2 is that; 1: They have greater capacity on their holidays, and 2: The consumer saves money. And if the consumer saves money, they are more likely to travel again in the near future with Jet2, and of course the more passengers, the more profit in the long run.

I think your point contradicts itself, if customers will travel to save money, then why would they not choose another airline/holiday company who were even cheaper? If you are chasing the price sensitive market there is absolutely no brand loyalty. I don't see the logic in Jet2 competing with itself to offer the cheapest package. In your example they left £200 quid on the table, multiply that by 150-200 passengers per flight and you might begin to see the issue... Low Cost Carriers are not, necessarily, Low Cost to the customer, their operating costs are low, the airline can choose to pass this on as low fares, or not to.