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BHX Runway
BHX is 328ft ASL, GLA 134ft ASL.
I'm sure somebody on here will be able to tell you how much 200ft affects aircraft performance, but I would have thought that it didn't make that much difference.
I'm sure somebody on here will be able to tell you how much 200ft affects aircraft performance, but I would have thought that it didn't make that much difference.
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Monty Gordo RE BHX RUNWAY.
Runway 15 has a threshold elevation of 303 feet above sea level and runway 33 being 326 feet.
As Invicta says a few hundred feet makes little difference, perhaps 30 metres over a sea level airport.
However if you look at some airports.. Calgary for example, its 3,600 feet about sea level, so the airs thinner and more speed and lift needed to reach "V" for airliners.
Some airports also are very high and very hot, the heat further thinning the air requiring even longer take off distances.
Attach NATS latest BHX chart of BHX where you can see the heights..
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-05-03.pdf
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Runway 15 has a threshold elevation of 303 feet above sea level and runway 33 being 326 feet.
As Invicta says a few hundred feet makes little difference, perhaps 30 metres over a sea level airport.
However if you look at some airports.. Calgary for example, its 3,600 feet about sea level, so the airs thinner and more speed and lift needed to reach "V" for airliners.
Some airports also are very high and very hot, the heat further thinning the air requiring even longer take off distances.
Attach NATS latest BHX chart of BHX where you can see the heights..
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-05-03.pdf
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Flybe
BE with longer term winter reductions on
BHX-STR - essentially now 6/7 for most of 2nd week January through to 1APR.
BHX-DUS - the DUS nightstopper has been dropped until 1APR.
And this may have been mentioned earlier - but Waterford with a pause during next quarter, and a reduced frequency 22FEB-08MAR.
BHX-STR - essentially now 6/7 for most of 2nd week January through to 1APR.
BHX-DUS - the DUS nightstopper has been dropped until 1APR.
And this may have been mentioned earlier - but Waterford with a pause during next quarter, and a reduced frequency 22FEB-08MAR.
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Now you all know about TORAs and TODAs......
Check out the TODAs (para 2.13) at BHX and GLA
BHX
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-12-13.pdf
GLA
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-12-13.pdf
Over 300m longer available at GLA for the more predominate take off direction.
Check out the TODAs (para 2.13) at BHX and GLA
BHX
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-12-13.pdf
GLA
http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadba...2012-12-13.pdf
Over 300m longer available at GLA for the more predominate take off direction.
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CAA figures for Nov-12: BHX pax up 4.1%, rolling year up 3.5%.
The other big guns have fared well (better than BHX in many cases) too, with the exception of EDI.
The other big guns have fared well (better than BHX in many cases) too, with the exception of EDI.
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Further to insuindi's post
Source: CAA Provisional stats
November passengers 568442 up 4.1% rolling year 8893406 up 3.5%
ATM's 6075 +1.9% rolling year 84149 +0.6%
ATM's are a surprise as I think flybe, easy and Monarch extra's did not cover the Baby movements although they were poor last November.
I wasn't too sure how November would pan out as it is usuallyone of the easiest months to predict but not this year. Baby operated two aircraft last November flying four sectors most days and a third on Thursday and Sunday.
Monarch have added one one aircraft and but less rotations than baby and flybe added Amsterdam but cut elsewhere such as Hanover. easy have almost covered the baby Belfast movements but Thomas Cook have cut heavily with one aircraft based compared to two last year and two still at East Mids.
So overall not too bad.
Pete
Source: CAA Provisional stats
November passengers 568442 up 4.1% rolling year 8893406 up 3.5%
ATM's 6075 +1.9% rolling year 84149 +0.6%
ATM's are a surprise as I think flybe, easy and Monarch extra's did not cover the Baby movements although they were poor last November.
I wasn't too sure how November would pan out as it is usuallyone of the easiest months to predict but not this year. Baby operated two aircraft last November flying four sectors most days and a third on Thursday and Sunday.
Monarch have added one one aircraft and but less rotations than baby and flybe added Amsterdam but cut elsewhere such as Hanover. easy have almost covered the baby Belfast movements but Thomas Cook have cut heavily with one aircraft based compared to two last year and two still at East Mids.
So overall not too bad.
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Re TORA BHX runway.
Things will get quite interesting next winter at BHX when they join the then finished runway extension to the current runway.
A few months of night closures and probable reduced runway length in the day during this period.
Nigel
Things will get quite interesting next winter at BHX when they join the then finished runway extension to the current runway.
A few months of night closures and probable reduced runway length in the day during this period.
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Summer 13
It wasn't shaping up that well but some IT additions - all subject to change
Freebird Thursday FHY642 18.30/21.30 Dalaman - dates found for high summer only at present but will I check.
The Saturday Freebird is all summer for Thomas Cook FHY610 18.30/21.15
Air Malta Friday summer IT season KM5437 22.45/23.35
Aegean again Saturday Larnaca 22.30/23.20 A34132
Travel Service still showing based one day only Tuesday Heraklion
Flybe go Greek.....yes you read it right Cosmos Preveza on a Sunday 05.40 (yuk) 13.20 BE3007/8. I trust the 195
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Freebird Thursday FHY642 18.30/21.30 Dalaman - dates found for high summer only at present but will I check.
The Saturday Freebird is all summer for Thomas Cook FHY610 18.30/21.15
Air Malta Friday summer IT season KM5437 22.45/23.35
Aegean again Saturday Larnaca 22.30/23.20 A34132
Travel Service still showing based one day only Tuesday Heraklion
Flybe go Greek.....yes you read it right Cosmos Preveza on a Sunday 05.40 (yuk) 13.20 BE3007/8. I trust the 195
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Monarch -- I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
First the good news, Monarch launch Bordeaux X3 weekly.
Now the bad news, I tried to book late May return 1 pax and the price quoted on line was £704.48 -- and that included their £15 flight saving.
Can't see that route lasting
Now the bad news, I tried to book late May return 1 pax and the price quoted on line was £704.48 -- and that included their £15 flight saving.
Can't see that route lasting
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Bordeaux
Monty I have just tried to do the same and have been quoted over £700 return, Split prices are the same surely this is an IT glitch and fares haven't been loaded properly? Or should the routes have indeed been loaded in the first place??
Nice to see BOD back prompted no doubt the BE's complete withdrawal from regional French routes ex BHX. This summer we will see in addition to CDG only BOD, NCE and MPL served, with former AF/BE/FR operated LYS, TLS, EGC, BES, BIQ, AVN, MRS, PGF and LRH routes all having now bitten the dust over the past couple of years.....
Split is an ideal route and makes a Croatia island hopping holiday very feasible indeed flying into SPU and out of DBV or vice versa - if the fares go down to more reasonable levels I will definately be booking these!
Nice to see BOD back prompted no doubt the BE's complete withdrawal from regional French routes ex BHX. This summer we will see in addition to CDG only BOD, NCE and MPL served, with former AF/BE/FR operated LYS, TLS, EGC, BES, BIQ, AVN, MRS, PGF and LRH routes all having now bitten the dust over the past couple of years.....
Split is an ideal route and makes a Croatia island hopping holiday very feasible indeed flying into SPU and out of DBV or vice versa - if the fares go down to more reasonable levels I will definately be booking these!
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New Monarch routes
Will be interesting to see if the new routes to Bordeaux and Split have any effect on the already established easyJet service to Bordeaux and Wizz to Split from Luton especially those living in the South Midlands area.
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Aer Lingus
Aer Lingus to increase Dublin from 3 to 6 daily from 1 June. Half mainline and regional.
DUB-BHX
07.10
09.00*
13.15
17.00*
18.15**
20.30* **
BHX-DUB
07.15* ***
08.50
10.45*
14.50
18.45*
19.50 **
* Aer Lingus Regional
** except Sat
*** except Sun
Will put huge pressre on FR if past EI expanction is to be repeated. BRS, EDI, GLA all is left now is MAN.
DUB-BHX
07.10
09.00*
13.15
17.00*
18.15**
20.30* **
BHX-DUB
07.15* ***
08.50
10.45*
14.50
18.45*
19.50 **
* Aer Lingus Regional
** except Sat
*** except Sun
Will put huge pressre on FR if past EI expanction is to be repeated. BRS, EDI, GLA all is left now is MAN.
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Monarch/EI Regional
Monarch
These two destinations appear to be gap fillers, with Bordeaux mainly covering the Milan times (Mo/Wed/Sa) and one of the Split flights (Friday morning).
So still nine based for summer from the May and no movement on the dreadful April schedule.
I assume that they are possibly waiting for final confirmation of aircraft deliveries - last April there were 5 x BMI Baby a week and 7 x Monarch to Malaga and in April 2013 just 4 Monarch. Alicante is similar with Palma, Mahon and Dalaman not operating at all.
Talking of Mahon the second Friday flight has been added back leaving ten aircraft required unless they have switched one of the other flights to an away based aircraft. Munich stands out as not fitting the schedule and I suspect the Friday service will be re-timed or chopped.
Aer Lingus Regional
Overnighting aircraft - I know it is early days but will BHX become a base or just crews to local hotels?
Shame they couldn't use the AT72 aircraft to squeeze in a third Cork on some days and second Knock on others but it seems to be away in Dublin from late Morning to mid afternoon.
Is this the first step to all ATR service on the Dublin though?
Pete
These two destinations appear to be gap fillers, with Bordeaux mainly covering the Milan times (Mo/Wed/Sa) and one of the Split flights (Friday morning).
So still nine based for summer from the May and no movement on the dreadful April schedule.
I assume that they are possibly waiting for final confirmation of aircraft deliveries - last April there were 5 x BMI Baby a week and 7 x Monarch to Malaga and in April 2013 just 4 Monarch. Alicante is similar with Palma, Mahon and Dalaman not operating at all.
Talking of Mahon the second Friday flight has been added back leaving ten aircraft required unless they have switched one of the other flights to an away based aircraft. Munich stands out as not fitting the schedule and I suspect the Friday service will be re-timed or chopped.
Aer Lingus Regional
Overnighting aircraft - I know it is early days but will BHX become a base or just crews to local hotels?
Shame they couldn't use the AT72 aircraft to squeeze in a third Cork on some days and second Knock on others but it seems to be away in Dublin from late Morning to mid afternoon.
Is this the first step to all ATR service on the Dublin though?
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It may be something for the regional aircraft to do as the likes of Waterford go
just a thought, I have heard rumours MAN is going to 6 daily as well but
we shall see
Chaps
just a thought, I have heard rumours MAN is going to 6 daily as well but
we shall see
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Monarch/EIR
Monarch winter 2013/4 seems to heading for five based based on the November/December timetable
ALC - four a week no change (Friday moves to Thursday)
LEI - Nil (no change)
BCN - Nil (no change)
BOD - nil
FAO - three - (up one)
FUE - one (no change)
GIB - three (up three)
LPA - one (no change)
GNB - Two (from Dec and similar)
ACE - Three (up one)
LCA - Two (no change)
FNC - Two (no change)
PMI - Nil (no change)
AGP - Four (no change)
MUC - nil (down 3/4)
NCE - Nil (no change)
PFO - Nil (no change)
FCO - Two (down 1/2)
SSH - Three (up one)
TFS - Seven (up one)
VCE - Nil (down 3)
chaps2011
MAN-DUB carries more pax than BHX-MAN month in month out with the odd exception and it would be very surprising if a similar increase doesn't happen.
Pete
ALC - four a week no change (Friday moves to Thursday)
LEI - Nil (no change)
BCN - Nil (no change)
BOD - nil
FAO - three - (up one)
FUE - one (no change)
GIB - three (up three)
LPA - one (no change)
GNB - Two (from Dec and similar)
ACE - Three (up one)
LCA - Two (no change)
FNC - Two (no change)
PMI - Nil (no change)
AGP - Four (no change)
MUC - nil (down 3/4)
NCE - Nil (no change)
PFO - Nil (no change)
FCO - Two (down 1/2)
SSH - Three (up one)
TFS - Seven (up one)
VCE - Nil (down 3)
chaps2011
MAN-DUB carries more pax than BHX-MAN month in month out with the odd exception and it would be very surprising if a similar increase doesn't happen.
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Are Biman permitted to fly to YYZ?
Dhaka-Birmingham-Toronto could work well if there was demand, and there is a large Asian minority here in the West Midlands.
Hellenic Imperial could try BHX again but with a smaller aircraft. As far as I am concerned there were only 51 passengers on the first flight on 25th July 2009.
Anyone know what the yields and pax figures are like for PIA? It'd be interesting as it'd give us more of an idea as to any extra flights are viable. They obviously won't be doing the transit flights as per ten years ago but they could operate flights to the likes of Karachi & Lahore on the days they don't operate into BHX.
Dhaka-Birmingham-Toronto could work well if there was demand, and there is a large Asian minority here in the West Midlands.
Hellenic Imperial could try BHX again but with a smaller aircraft. As far as I am concerned there were only 51 passengers on the first flight on 25th July 2009.
Anyone know what the yields and pax figures are like for PIA? It'd be interesting as it'd give us more of an idea as to any extra flights are viable. They obviously won't be doing the transit flights as per ten years ago but they could operate flights to the likes of Karachi & Lahore on the days they don't operate into BHX.
Planeaddict:
Whether or not Biman have traffic rights (I assume that's what you mean) unless the demographic has changed in the Midlands, the main communities from the Indian subcontinent resident here are from India (chiefly Punjabi) and from Pakistan. Bangladeshi communities are more resident in the Northwest, and around London. That's why PK fly from BHX, and why Turkmenistan operates so frequently from BHX to Askhabad, where they connect to Amritsar.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't fly with Biman from BHX to YYZ, even if they were the only operator. I'd prefer Transat, Air Canada or BA!
It's fine and dandy wishing for exotic routes and carriers, but a prerequisite is having market to serve!
Whether or not Biman have traffic rights (I assume that's what you mean) unless the demographic has changed in the Midlands, the main communities from the Indian subcontinent resident here are from India (chiefly Punjabi) and from Pakistan. Bangladeshi communities are more resident in the Northwest, and around London. That's why PK fly from BHX, and why Turkmenistan operates so frequently from BHX to Askhabad, where they connect to Amritsar.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't fly with Biman from BHX to YYZ, even if they were the only operator. I'd prefer Transat, Air Canada or BA!
It's fine and dandy wishing for exotic routes and carriers, but a prerequisite is having market to serve!