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http://www.air-journal.fr/2011-12-05...on-540378.html
The airline Brit Air has announced the closure for financial reasons three routes to Lyon , those to Prague , Birmingham and Hamburg
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When you follow the above link, type 'Britair' in the search box if you get an error message. It is the top article. It's in French and says it was one of the three most loss-making routes.
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Britair va supprimer trois routes à Lyon | Air Journal
Hopefully that link will work, if not, this is the article:
Hopefully that link will work, if not, this is the article:
The airline Brit Air has announced the closure for financial reasons three routes to Lyon , those to Prague , Birmingham and Hamburg .
The regional subsidiary of Air France has chosen to sacrifice the three roads over the loss from the airport to Lyon - Saint Exupery, after posting an annual loss of 16.4 million euros. Britair remove by April 2012 the two daily flights to Prague, leaving the low cost easyJet alone on this road. It will also cancel two daily flights to Birmingham and Hamburg, two routes where it faces no competition. A general meeting will be held this December 5, 2011, and is expected to approve next year hiring freeze NWP and agents.
The company maintains its currently non-domestic connections between Lyon and Rome, Tunis, Barcelona, Amsterdam and Dusseldorf, lines Britair operated under franchise or AF Air France operated by Brit Air. In the hexagon, it also serves Toulouse, Montpellier, Limoges, Nantes, Brest, Rennes, Caen, Paris and Strasbourg.
Recall that Brit, based in Morlaix, now operates a fleet composed entirely of Bombardier CRJ 50 to 100 seats, its last Fokker 100 has made its final flight between October 20, 2011 Clermont-Ferrand and Orly
The regional subsidiary of Air France has chosen to sacrifice the three roads over the loss from the airport to Lyon - Saint Exupery, after posting an annual loss of 16.4 million euros. Britair remove by April 2012 the two daily flights to Prague, leaving the low cost easyJet alone on this road. It will also cancel two daily flights to Birmingham and Hamburg, two routes where it faces no competition. A general meeting will be held this December 5, 2011, and is expected to approve next year hiring freeze NWP and agents.
The company maintains its currently non-domestic connections between Lyon and Rome, Tunis, Barcelona, Amsterdam and Dusseldorf, lines Britair operated under franchise or AF Air France operated by Brit Air. In the hexagon, it also serves Toulouse, Montpellier, Limoges, Nantes, Brest, Rennes, Caen, Paris and Strasbourg.
Recall that Brit, based in Morlaix, now operates a fleet composed entirely of Bombardier CRJ 50 to 100 seats, its last Fokker 100 has made its final flight between October 20, 2011 Clermont-Ferrand and Orly
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This has been rumoured for a few days now but with no link
to an article.
Very disappointing in as much as it is still being sold!!!!!
If the route has gone how difficult is it to take off sale?
Probably this would be one of the most disappointing losses
in the last three years, as it is a niche route and not I would
say as inevitable as Air Malta and Cyprus or for that matter
US Air.
However I think it would be naive of me to say that
I expected it to carry on in its present format, as the CRJ1's
are reducing all the time and many have stated the 50 seat
jet market is shot (although the buyers of BMIR obviously
would disagree!!).
The CRJ7 is too big at twice daily and the only thing you could
say that you would have hoped a daily CRJ7 might have been
tried (A days business from the UK is not possible now) or try
and hive it off to flybe code-share.
I wonder if flybe will consider a once daily 10.30 out 15.00 return
on the Q400/175 (eventually). The service has attracted between
2500 and 3500 pax per month at load factors ranging from 60% to
75% in summer. Base fares started at about £150 so not cheap but
there again neither is a 50 seat CRJ!
Out all the routes I thought at risk in 2008/9 have now gone (RE WAT,
CY, KM) except for City Airline or should I say Skyways to Gothenburg.
New owners, new broom, I hope not.
Pete
to an article.
Very disappointing in as much as it is still being sold!!!!!
If the route has gone how difficult is it to take off sale?
Probably this would be one of the most disappointing losses
in the last three years, as it is a niche route and not I would
say as inevitable as Air Malta and Cyprus or for that matter
US Air.
However I think it would be naive of me to say that
I expected it to carry on in its present format, as the CRJ1's
are reducing all the time and many have stated the 50 seat
jet market is shot (although the buyers of BMIR obviously
would disagree!!).
The CRJ7 is too big at twice daily and the only thing you could
say that you would have hoped a daily CRJ7 might have been
tried (A days business from the UK is not possible now) or try
and hive it off to flybe code-share.
I wonder if flybe will consider a once daily 10.30 out 15.00 return
on the Q400/175 (eventually). The service has attracted between
2500 and 3500 pax per month at load factors ranging from 60% to
75% in summer. Base fares started at about £150 so not cheap but
there again neither is a 50 seat CRJ!
Out all the routes I thought at risk in 2008/9 have now gone (RE WAT,
CY, KM) except for City Airline or should I say Skyways to Gothenburg.
New owners, new broom, I hope not.
Pete
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Probably this would be one of the most disappointing losses
in the last three years, as it is a niche route
in the last three years, as it is a niche route
As well as flybe being a potential candidate for replacement, maybe a route for bmi baby to pick up, as bmi regional offer it from MAN and they don't even have much of a base there.
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So yet another route goes back to 'via a hub' option only. Although both BE and WW are both very valid suggestions for a replacement carrier on BHX-LYS, I would be surprised if either do as once a route disappears at BHX it rarely seems to come back (FCO, BCN, PRG, LIS and VCE (didn't BA/Maersk do that one for a while?)) excepted. For these five, LYS is just one more to add to the list of around another 20 or so (both short and long haul) destinations that have disappeared from the departure boards at BHX to never see the light of day again!
OP I hope you are not right about GOT.......
On the plus side rumours are circulating again of a third daily EK in the future? Although only a rumour it is more likely to happen than QR or EY gracing BHX?
OP I hope you are not right about GOT.......
On the plus side rumours are circulating again of a third daily EK in the future? Although only a rumour it is more likely to happen than QR or EY gracing BHX?
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On the plus side rumours are circulating again of a third daily EK in the future? Although only a rumour it is more likely to happen than QR or EY gracing BHX?
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It's just in French
Britair va supprimer trois routes à Lyon | Air Journal
Britair va supprimer trois routes à Lyon | Air Journal
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BHX-LYS
I've used this route a number of occasions but some years ago now, originally when flown by Maersk, then Duo and BA Citiexpress. It was, incidentally, one of the few Duo routes taken on immediately at their closure by BA and there was only a short gap between BA pulling out of the regions and BritAir picking up the route. One would have thought that there was, therefore, money to be made on it but perhaps, as OP states, with fuel prices having increased considerably since those days, the route can't sustain a CRJ on it.
I'd have thought it was ideal for one of FlyBe's Q400s as aren't they supposed to turn a profit with relatively low load factors, assuming the yield is there? I doubt that baby would pick it up - the route seems too big for a 737 even taking into account the proximity of the skiing market in the winter season.
Here's hoping that FlyBe will look at it. Otherwise, it's hard to see who else would be interested as there is no-one else left who would operate a route such as this! It's hard not to be pessimistic but ultimately I fear this is another, long established route, consigned to the dustbin.
Scott
I'd have thought it was ideal for one of FlyBe's Q400s as aren't they supposed to turn a profit with relatively low load factors, assuming the yield is there? I doubt that baby would pick it up - the route seems too big for a 737 even taking into account the proximity of the skiing market in the winter season.
Here's hoping that FlyBe will look at it. Otherwise, it's hard to see who else would be interested as there is no-one else left who would operate a route such as this! It's hard not to be pessimistic but ultimately I fear this is another, long established route, consigned to the dustbin.
Scott
I would have said that to make a route such as BHX / LYS a viable option on a 50 seat aircraft you need some business related (rather than leisure) traffic.
Though I'm sure someone will tell me otherwsie I cannot think of much major West Midlands industry with close ties to in dustry in the Rhon-Alpes area. BHX / STR would be in a similar position were it not for the automotive industries in both regions.
Particular problem with French regional services is that France is very "Paris-centric" much as England is "London-centric". Many people probably couldn't place Lyon on a map, let alone find reason for going there!
Though I'm sure someone will tell me otherwsie I cannot think of much major West Midlands industry with close ties to in dustry in the Rhon-Alpes area. BHX / STR would be in a similar position were it not for the automotive industries in both regions.
Particular problem with French regional services is that France is very "Paris-centric" much as England is "London-centric". Many people probably couldn't place Lyon on a map, let alone find reason for going there!
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Ryanair 2012 update
The timetable has been updated with Alicante released at daily, Girona
back to four a week and Reus three.
However Murcia is off-sale at all airports.
There is a gap on a Saturday and Wednesday for such a route vacated by Tenerife (Wed) and Malaga (Sat). The Wednesday Montpellier is subbed with an extra Katowice.
The Tuesday and Thursday gap could be filled by the afternoon Dublin as could Thursday and Saturday night Dublin.
The schedule: -
Monday
1) ALC LDY MJV* *If re-instated
2) FUE KTW
3) ACE AGP
4) MLA MPL GRO
Away based Dublin x 3
Tuesday
1) ALC XXX BTS
2) PMI IBZ
3) TFS MJV*
4) GDN BZG AGP
Away based 3 x DUB and 1 x FAO (11.50/12.15)
Wednesday
1) KUN LDY KTW
2) LPA AGP
3) REU GRO PMI
4) XXX RZE
Away based 3 x DUB, 1 x ACE (11.50/12.15) and 1 x ALC (12.10/12.35)
Thursday
1) ALC TRS BTS
2) TFS AGP
3) IBZ xxx BZG
4) PMI MJV* N/S (Same last summer)
Away based 3 x DUB & 1 x FAO (11.50/12.15)
Friday
1) ALC LDY MLA
2) FUE MPL
3) ACE AGP
4) REU KTW GRO
Awayt based 3 x DUB
Saturday
1) GDN BZG AGP
2) TFS ALC
3) MJV* PMI XXX
4) XXX DUB BTS
Away based 2 x DUB and FAO (18.55/19.20)
Sunday
1) PMI IBZ
2) LPA AGP
3) KUN ALC LDY
4) RZE TRS REU
Away based 2 x DUB and 1 x GRO (19.30/19.55)
Pete
back to four a week and Reus three.
However Murcia is off-sale at all airports.
There is a gap on a Saturday and Wednesday for such a route vacated by Tenerife (Wed) and Malaga (Sat). The Wednesday Montpellier is subbed with an extra Katowice.
The Tuesday and Thursday gap could be filled by the afternoon Dublin as could Thursday and Saturday night Dublin.
The schedule: -
Monday
1) ALC LDY MJV* *If re-instated
2) FUE KTW
3) ACE AGP
4) MLA MPL GRO
Away based Dublin x 3
Tuesday
1) ALC XXX BTS
2) PMI IBZ
3) TFS MJV*
4) GDN BZG AGP
Away based 3 x DUB and 1 x FAO (11.50/12.15)
Wednesday
1) KUN LDY KTW
2) LPA AGP
3) REU GRO PMI
4) XXX RZE
Away based 3 x DUB, 1 x ACE (11.50/12.15) and 1 x ALC (12.10/12.35)
Thursday
1) ALC TRS BTS
2) TFS AGP
3) IBZ xxx BZG
4) PMI MJV* N/S (Same last summer)
Away based 3 x DUB & 1 x FAO (11.50/12.15)
Friday
1) ALC LDY MLA
2) FUE MPL
3) ACE AGP
4) REU KTW GRO
Awayt based 3 x DUB
Saturday
1) GDN BZG AGP
2) TFS ALC
3) MJV* PMI XXX
4) XXX DUB BTS
Away based 2 x DUB and FAO (18.55/19.20)
Sunday
1) PMI IBZ
2) LPA AGP
3) KUN ALC LDY
4) RZE TRS REU
Away based 2 x DUB and 1 x GRO (19.30/19.55)
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Welcome to Brimingham!
I wonder how long it will take First Choice to realise that their ad on the Birmingham Airport main website offers flights to Cap Verde from Brimingham Airport. Day one and counting....
Sounds like a very cold place near to Grimsby!!!
Sounds like a very cold place near to Grimsby!!!
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FCA and FR
Cap Verde from Brimingham, now that has made me laugh, it was probably written by one of my ex BTEC tourism students......
As for FR, we have to be grateful for what we have got at BHX, however I still don't understand their reticence to launch new routes from BHX, apart from MPL there hasn't been one for ages. Their schedule is very stagnant. Worryingly there are a couple of days that see very light a/c utilisation, Tues and Sun, with one a/c doing just PMI and IBZ....surely it must be a worry for BHX management that it would seem cheaper for a loco to park their planes up at BHX in between short sectors than actually fly new routes! Even Leeds has more routes than BHX now and they were only launched as a base last year against stiff competition from Jet2. There are plenty of routes from BHX that FR could have to themselves without even touching WW, ZB and BE!
Maybe they will surprise us with an additional based a/c and a raft of new routes, won't hold my breath though!
As for FR, we have to be grateful for what we have got at BHX, however I still don't understand their reticence to launch new routes from BHX, apart from MPL there hasn't been one for ages. Their schedule is very stagnant. Worryingly there are a couple of days that see very light a/c utilisation, Tues and Sun, with one a/c doing just PMI and IBZ....surely it must be a worry for BHX management that it would seem cheaper for a loco to park their planes up at BHX in between short sectors than actually fly new routes! Even Leeds has more routes than BHX now and they were only launched as a base last year against stiff competition from Jet2. There are plenty of routes from BHX that FR could have to themselves without even touching WW, ZB and BE!
Maybe they will surprise us with an additional based a/c and a raft of new routes, won't hold my breath though!
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Snow problems
OP or Others in the know
Again severe angst on the Man thread re seeming inability to cope with snow problems this morning.
Was there snow in Brum, how did it cope, and have they taken in many diversions?
Again severe angst on the Man thread re seeming inability to cope with snow problems this morning.
Was there snow in Brum, how did it cope, and have they taken in many diversions?
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snow
Monty Gordo
No snow where I am but seven diversions inbound thus far. Three from Manchester (this morning) and four easyjets in the last hour from Liverpool.
However this morning is has been stated things were tight due to the parked
up Ryanairs (nine). Unfortunately Thomson didn't get their Friday schedule
sorted (cancelled Egyptian flights) and also have two aircraft parked up so at one point there were only a hand full of stands left.
I think there are over 50 stands and some days only 200-250 movements
giving the impression there would be loads of spare stands but that is not
the case.
The AA 757 ORD-MAN was parked on 25 for a splash and dash.
Pete
No snow where I am but seven diversions inbound thus far. Three from Manchester (this morning) and four easyjets in the last hour from Liverpool.
However this morning is has been stated things were tight due to the parked
up Ryanairs (nine). Unfortunately Thomson didn't get their Friday schedule
sorted (cancelled Egyptian flights) and also have two aircraft parked up so at one point there were only a hand full of stands left.
I think there are over 50 stands and some days only 200-250 movements
giving the impression there would be loads of spare stands but that is not
the case.
The AA 757 ORD-MAN was parked on 25 for a splash and dash.
Pete
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November pax up 0.4%
Source: CAA
November 2011 546 644 +0.4%, rolling year 8588936 -0.4%
ATM's 5967 -1.8% rolling year 83682 -2.2%
I estimated 543000 so a pleasant surprise.
Before we go jumping for joy, the airport was closed for 20 hours in
November 2010 due to the citation crash.
The CAA stats show November 2010 40 flights lost (weather as well)
and 11 gained. This of course does not include cancellations.
The airport shut on a Friday at 15.30 ish and I think opened midday
Saturday and taking out some pax which would have delayed their
return I still believe 10000-12000 pax were lost plus other days due weather.
So in theory the figure is down but considering BHX's route offering
in November 2011 not too bad. I would say about 2.5% down which
is remarkably similar to Bristol, EMA, Glasgow, Liverpool & Newcastle.
Aberdeen and Manchester were the only real bright lights out of the
known figures although BHD, BFS and LCY were also up
Pete
November 2011 546 644 +0.4%, rolling year 8588936 -0.4%
ATM's 5967 -1.8% rolling year 83682 -2.2%
I estimated 543000 so a pleasant surprise.
Before we go jumping for joy, the airport was closed for 20 hours in
November 2010 due to the citation crash.
The CAA stats show November 2010 40 flights lost (weather as well)
and 11 gained. This of course does not include cancellations.
The airport shut on a Friday at 15.30 ish and I think opened midday
Saturday and taking out some pax which would have delayed their
return I still believe 10000-12000 pax were lost plus other days due weather.
So in theory the figure is down but considering BHX's route offering
in November 2011 not too bad. I would say about 2.5% down which
is remarkably similar to Bristol, EMA, Glasgow, Liverpool & Newcastle.
Aberdeen and Manchester were the only real bright lights out of the
known figures although BHD, BFS and LCY were also up
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Monty Gordo/all.
There was no snow problems at BHX,but just like MAN, a few flakes of snow and we seem to close generally;
Today we had the American Airlines 757, Swiss 320 and a City 145 from Manchester.Then a bit later 4 Easy Jet diversions from LPL.
Nigel
There was no snow problems at BHX,but just like MAN, a few flakes of snow and we seem to close generally;
Today we had the American Airlines 757, Swiss 320 and a City 145 from Manchester.Then a bit later 4 Easy Jet diversions from LPL.
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Pete,
The archive shows TEN Ryan Airs parked up all day, I must have missed one.
BHX normally just uses the remote stands for splash and dash, so with so many wretched Ryan Airs clogging the remotes, our diversion capability is severely reduced
Nigel
The archive shows TEN Ryan Airs parked up all day, I must have missed one.
BHX normally just uses the remote stands for splash and dash, so with so many wretched Ryan Airs clogging the remotes, our diversion capability is severely reduced
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Overview of diversions to BHX today:
Code:
08:31A SDR001 E145 SE-RAD GOTHENBURG Departed 09:51 to Manchester SDR001A
Code:
08:32A AAL54 B752 N185AN CHICAGO Departed 11:02 to Manchester AAL54
Code:
08:34A SWR39B A320 HB-IJD ZURICH Departed 09:39 to Zurich SWR5091
Code:
13:16A EZY7026 A319 G-EZIR JERSEY Departed 16:06 to Liverpool EZY9024
Code:
13:21A EZY68N A319 G-EZDC NICE Departed 15:54 to Liverpool EZY9023
Code:
13:35A EZY7042 A319 G-EZFJ PARIS CDG Departed 15:32 to Liverpool EZY9024
Code:
14:09A EZY204Q A319 G-EZEA BARCELONA Departed 16:03 to Liverpool EZY9025