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I would say unlikely unless they restart the evening flights which they used to do several years ago. Sunday is unusual as it actually still requires eight aircraft based which I can't believe will happen when Monday - Saturday is six based.
Sunday should be seven based and all it would require is one afternoon flight to be put back a couple of hours to make this happen.
However it is clear that the schedule is not finalised with the high season Tuesday TFS departing at 20.00 when the first aircraft back is about 21.10.
Then there is the Friday Bodrum departing at 20.50 but arriving back at 23.00
and that would be unusual unless an aircraft change with another base.
Another case of never say never.
Ryanair at present is one AGP frequency down with the Saturday morning not on sale but BMI Baby is back to daily from late May.
Pete
I would say unlikely unless they restart the evening flights which they used to do several years ago. Sunday is unusual as it actually still requires eight aircraft based which I can't believe will happen when Monday - Saturday is six based.
Sunday should be seven based and all it would require is one afternoon flight to be put back a couple of hours to make this happen.
However it is clear that the schedule is not finalised with the high season Tuesday TFS departing at 20.00 when the first aircraft back is about 21.10.
Then there is the Friday Bodrum departing at 20.50 but arriving back at 23.00
and that would be unusual unless an aircraft change with another base.
Another case of never say never.
Ryanair at present is one AGP frequency down with the Saturday morning not on sale but BMI Baby is back to daily from late May.
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......er hang on
why on earth would you compare BHX to MAN, both cities and their catchment are totally different as described on here multople times...!
The Midlands is in terminal decline whilst the North West and especially Greater Manchester is vibrant and growing rapidly.
The comparison is misplaced, by all means compare BHX to say BRS etc but not Manchester , sorry different league !
why on earth would you compare BHX to MAN, both cities and their catchment are totally different as described on here multople times...!
The Midlands is in terminal decline whilst the North West and especially Greater Manchester is vibrant and growing rapidly.
The comparison is misplaced, by all means compare BHX to say BRS etc but not Manchester , sorry different league !
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Bagso! BRI?? Whats Palese, Bari airport got to do with anything?
Having lived and worked at both BHX and MAN I can confirm BHX far more vibrant and pleasant place to live and work. It always makes me chuckle when Mancs claim to be the second city! Take a flight over the two MAN dont come close as a city! But fair enough the airport has been invested in and developed by multiple councils of the north west does have a larger busier airport. The terminal decline at BHX is in my opinion is due to very poor management and planning! Diamond house springs to mind as a classic white elephant.
Having lived and worked at both BHX and MAN I can confirm BHX far more vibrant and pleasant place to live and work. It always makes me chuckle when Mancs claim to be the second city! Take a flight over the two MAN dont come close as a city! But fair enough the airport has been invested in and developed by multiple councils of the north west does have a larger busier airport. The terminal decline at BHX is in my opinion is due to very poor management and planning! Diamond house springs to mind as a classic white elephant.
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BHX & Bari?
Bagso
What has Bari got to do with it, an Italian airport with 3.3 million pax per annum?
Just don't it really isn't worth it.
FQTLSteve
Depends on how you look at things, Manchester's last seven months have been good but it is still patchy. Their October passenger throughput almost beat their 1998 figure......... At least BHX is at 2001-2002 levels.
For those of us who live in the area will know things are tough and the airports performance is quite good considering although until recently their was little choice on some European service unless you like going via/
I am not sure if there will be any fall-out from the Thomas Cook problems but Monarch and Baby to a lesser extent will turn things around in 2012 or at least steady the ship.
Pete
What has Bari got to do with it, an Italian airport with 3.3 million pax per annum?
Just don't it really isn't worth it.
FQTLSteve
Depends on how you look at things, Manchester's last seven months have been good but it is still patchy. Their October passenger throughput almost beat their 1998 figure......... At least BHX is at 2001-2002 levels.
For those of us who live in the area will know things are tough and the airports performance is quite good considering although until recently their was little choice on some European service unless you like going via/
I am not sure if there will be any fall-out from the Thomas Cook problems but Monarch and Baby to a lesser extent will turn things around in 2012 or at least steady the ship.
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Depends on how you look at things, Manchester's last seven months have been good but it is still patchy. Their October passenger throughput almost beat their 1998 figure......... At least BHX is at 2001-2002 levels
Times are getting better at BHX with extra Monarch, baby and Lufthansa flights, but, personally I wouldn't say 7 consecutive months of growth is 'patchy' compared to an airport that is once again in decline, and even if MAN is still at 1998 levels, to see that it has more pax than BHX despite being at 2002 levels show the gap between the 2 airports is very large indeed.
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.....and I for one am sick of the comparisons.
Why oh why do supporters of BHX keep comparing it to Manchester ?
It's as if there is a feeling that there is some divine right that because Manchester is doing OK Birmingham should also be doing likewise.
The argument escapes me.
I have have put forward numerous examples of why Manchester is expanding on previous occasions, every single time the arguments are put down, the last time the BHX MOD even stepped in and deleted the thread !
.... well hang on' if you don't like the answers please please refrain from constant misguided comparisons !
BHX MOD ...if this is purely a BHX thread can we pull "all" future references to Manchester every single time its mentioned not just on a selective basis when the mood takes ?
Cheers !
Why oh why do supporters of BHX keep comparing it to Manchester ?
It's as if there is a feeling that there is some divine right that because Manchester is doing OK Birmingham should also be doing likewise.
The argument escapes me.
I have have put forward numerous examples of why Manchester is expanding on previous occasions, every single time the arguments are put down, the last time the BHX MOD even stepped in and deleted the thread !
.... well hang on' if you don't like the answers please please refrain from constant misguided comparisons !
BHX MOD ...if this is purely a BHX thread can we pull "all" future references to Manchester every single time its mentioned not just on a selective basis when the mood takes ?
Cheers !
MAN vs BHX
and i for one am sick of YOUR comparisons!!!!!!!!
How dare you come on here posting your dribble!! Who do you think you are??????
MODs please please please go one step better and ban this idiot from the BHX thread. He/She does nothing but cause trouble!! Never anything constructive and always doing everything they can to wind us up!
How dare you come on here posting your dribble!! Who do you think you are??????
MODs please please please go one step better and ban this idiot from the BHX thread. He/She does nothing but cause trouble!! Never anything constructive and always doing everything they can to wind us up!
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Bagso, MAN is bigger and busier its also had way more investment and better management! I would never compare BHX to MAN as I know having worked at both on the ground and in the air BHX is far superior to operate from! Staff West at MAN is enough to put anyone off!!
I wish both would do well! If only this backward country could look outside of London maybe the country would be Great again! But while Westminster runs the country in the same way as Willie runs our national airline then sadly nothing outside the M25 matters!! Be interesting to see what happens if the high speed rail link happens, BHX may pick up LHR expansion traffic but it may be at the cost of domestic air traffic? Who knows I wonder how different BHX or MAN will be ten years on from now? I remember both from ten years ago and although both quite different, MAN is more different!
I wish both would do well! If only this backward country could look outside of London maybe the country would be Great again! But while Westminster runs the country in the same way as Willie runs our national airline then sadly nothing outside the M25 matters!! Be interesting to see what happens if the high speed rail link happens, BHX may pick up LHR expansion traffic but it may be at the cost of domestic air traffic? Who knows I wonder how different BHX or MAN will be ten years on from now? I remember both from ten years ago and although both quite different, MAN is more different!
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Mate, connecting BHX to LHR allows Brummies to use the greater choice from LHR with way less hassle.... It's a LHR win and a BHX loss. United could and would happily move to LHR arguing it was handy and er.....local. Careful what you wish for.
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Not really sure how the Midlands is described to be in terminal decline, it has by a long stretch the 2nd largest economy in the UK, some 25% larger than the 3rd biggest economy, every reputable forecast suggests this will widen further over the next 20 years, indeed the forecast is for the South Coast to grow and become the 3rd largest economy.
The difference in markets between BHX and MAN is simple and it's geography, MAN is situated in the middle of 4 major urban conurbations, Merseyside, West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester and West Midlands. Add to this the significant other urban conurbations or Lancashire, Cheshire, Staffordshire and it's easy to see why the market for MAN is larger than of BHX.
The difference in markets between BHX and MAN is simple and it's geography, MAN is situated in the middle of 4 major urban conurbations, Merseyside, West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester and West Midlands. Add to this the significant other urban conurbations or Lancashire, Cheshire, Staffordshire and it's easy to see why the market for MAN is larger than of BHX.
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The Midlands is a very big area and covers several airports i:e BHX, EMA,LTN
and MAN so it isn`t as simple as it may seem.
Manchester is a very vibrant city with a lot of things going on in that the enterprise
zone at the airport and the infastucture receiving a huge boost with tram network
by far the largest in the country and expanding at a very fast rate and now massive
modernisation on the rail network in the northwest starting as we speak.
I can`t speak for Birmingham other than I know the car industry seems to be on the up again after many years in the doldrums and long may that last as we need the industry
again.
Full marks to Olton Pete because if you can`t support your own area things are
very sad. Pete you know who I am it`s just I am having mega computer probs at present and using another email address
Ian
and MAN so it isn`t as simple as it may seem.
Manchester is a very vibrant city with a lot of things going on in that the enterprise
zone at the airport and the infastucture receiving a huge boost with tram network
by far the largest in the country and expanding at a very fast rate and now massive
modernisation on the rail network in the northwest starting as we speak.
I can`t speak for Birmingham other than I know the car industry seems to be on the up again after many years in the doldrums and long may that last as we need the industry
again.
Full marks to Olton Pete because if you can`t support your own area things are
very sad. Pete you know who I am it`s just I am having mega computer probs at present and using another email address
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Cheers for that, it has been a frustrating couple of years just on a personal level when it has come to choosing holidays but taking a step a back and looking at the bigger picture, BHX has done fairly well all things considered although I might not have been saying that without the Monarch & Baby 2012 expansion.
It probably was a little cheeky to say Manchester's 2011 was patchy but all I was trying to do was put it into perspective as to where they are now compared to 1998. However it has fought back well and I have always said a thriving Manchester is a good thing for BHX as well. Quite a few new routes came after a successful introduction at Manchester (EK, AA, PK, TK, LH, SR, CO, SK, IB etc) and most survive in one format or other today other than AA
and IB.
SOE - Major worry and once the 757 bows out what happens?
chaps2011 Absolutely and I had wondered where you had gone! Hopefully just needs a bit of TLC
flybe 175's
On a separate note is BHX-DUS on Wednesday still down for the 175? It was showing in GDS when I last checked and it is even in the flybe connections timetable now.
Pete
Cheers for that, it has been a frustrating couple of years just on a personal level when it has come to choosing holidays but taking a step a back and looking at the bigger picture, BHX has done fairly well all things considered although I might not have been saying that without the Monarch & Baby 2012 expansion.
It probably was a little cheeky to say Manchester's 2011 was patchy but all I was trying to do was put it into perspective as to where they are now compared to 1998. However it has fought back well and I have always said a thriving Manchester is a good thing for BHX as well. Quite a few new routes came after a successful introduction at Manchester (EK, AA, PK, TK, LH, SR, CO, SK, IB etc) and most survive in one format or other today other than AA
and IB.
SOE - Major worry and once the 757 bows out what happens?
chaps2011 Absolutely and I had wondered where you had gone! Hopefully just needs a bit of TLC
flybe 175's
On a separate note is BHX-DUS on Wednesday still down for the 175? It was showing in GDS when I last checked and it is even in the flybe connections timetable now.
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The difference in markets between BHX and MAN is simple and it's geography, MAN is situated in the middle of 4 major urban conurbations, Merseyside, West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester and West Midlands. Add to this the significant other urban conurbations or Lancashire, Cheshire, Staffordshire and it's easy to see why the market for MAN is larger than of BHX.
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OK guys. You are taking a 24hr rest while you contemplate what it is you contemplate. I am getting fed up with a the constant flow of mail to me to tell me about the BHX and MAN comparison. Its ridiculous and not worth the hassle.
When I open this thread again you will kindly avoid discussing MAN. You can do that by going to that thread so please do so.
PPP
When I open this thread again you will kindly avoid discussing MAN. You can do that by going to that thread so please do so.
PPP
I'm reading a lot about expansion at UK airports lately. It seems many carriers are investing in them both short haul and long haul. The one that comes to mind is Jet2 at NCL and the EK changes at MAN.
What exactly is happening at BHX that is news worthy?
What exactly is happening at BHX that is news worthy?