CARDIFF - 2

[Oldtimer1]

This all came from something said at the Airport Consultative Committee last night, that good news from the airport was imminent.

This could be anything. I highly doubt its a new based airline, probabaly just one additonal route from flybe, or, Helvetic releasing their summer schedule where they would stay at Cardiff. I wouldnt want to blow it out of all proportions.

[Wycombe]

Vueling to launch flights to ALC and PMI from June, 3 weekly on each.

[planenut321]

Flights will operate in a W pattern from PMI.

Tues and Thurs
PMI 14:05 - 15:20 CWL
CWL 15:50 - 19:10 ALC
ALC 19:40 - 21:00 CWL
CWL 21:30 - 00:45 PMI

Sunday
PMI 07:00 - 08:15 CWL
CWL 08:45 - 12:05 ALC
ALC 12:35 - 13:55 CWL
CWL 14:25 - 17:40 PMI

Barcelona will be (after all of the day changes in June):

Tuesday
BCN 13:30 - 14:35 CWL
CWL 15:10 - 18:10 BCN

Thurs/Fri (changes days from July 19)
BCN 09:00 - 10:05 CWL
CWL 10:35 0 13:35 BCN

Sunday
BCN 09:45 - 10:50 CWL
CWL 11:25 - 14:25 BCN


So Tuesdays and Thursdays (for half of June and July) and Sundays we will have 6 rotations a day from VY!
Also interesting to see that in a news article today VY predict that CWL-BCN will make LFs of 80% with a 50/50 slpit of Spanish and Welsh pax.

[mart901]

Good for Cardiff, nice to see something other than blue or orange launching routes

[mathers_wales_uk]

One other interesting thing with Vueling is that they are prepared to work with the travel trade which is something very rare with lo-cost airlines.

Also it is nice to see that the fares are in fact the same level if not cheaper than what can be found by the Orange and Blue fin aircraft at Bristol.

A was also informed by somone on another website that it only costs them £17 for a weeks parking at Cardiff Airport using on site parking in June. Cardiff Airport have adopted an aggressive pricing policy for the NCP parking with prices from £1.99 all year round oer day.

Free parking deals are available for some airlines which include the Cosmos/Monarch flights to Florida and Balkan Holidays to Bulgaria.

We are hoping for good news also in regards to direct links to/from Cardiff City Centre to the airport.

[TwinAisle]

it is nice to see that the fares are in fact the same level if not cheaper than what can be found by the Orange and Blue fin aircraft at Bristol

This is not a sensible comparison right now - Vueling are selling lower down the revenue curve since they started selling much later. Let's see how it looks later on when things have settled down. From experience, I will wager that Vueling will start to look expensive compared with FR and U2....

TA

[j636]

This is not a sensible comparison right now - Vueling are selling lower down the revenue curve since they started selling much later. Let's see how it looks later on when things have settled down. From experience, I will wager that Vueling will start to look expensive compared with FR and U2....

BRS-ALC only on sale with FR a few weeks and a reducded schedule that last summer.

[TwinAisle]

And FR have a very, very much better known and more extensive market presence at BRS than VY at CWL, so will sell much, much more quickly on an equivalent route.

In any case, forget ALC, think Barcelona....

Low fares in this market means lower sales, especially against FR.

TA

[CabinCrewe]

FR and EZY will walk all over them. Will be interesting to review this in a years time

[mart901]

I love how people on PPRUNE write things off before they start. Vueling is well known in Spain and will surely have the lions share of inbound pax. If its marketed right and as said previously they work with the travel trade they will suceed. As a Spanish crewed airline their labour costs are a lot lower than EZY, although Im sure FR can beat them on that one.

[EI-BUD]

As a Spanish crewed airline their labour costs are a lot lower than EZY, although Im sure FR can beat them on that one.

I wouldnt be so sure of this mart901, I know for Madrid the pay for pilots is far far superior to that of the UK.

Lets hope Vueling makes the break in the UK. The challenge for any airline is brand awareness, and I would suggest that a high proportion of passengers will originate in the UK, hence most locals to Cardiff will book with the companies that they know, ie Easyjet/Ryanair from Bristol. So Vueling will need to be clever in marketing the service around Cardiff!

EI-BUD

[Oldtimer1]

I wouldnt be so sure of this mart901, I know for Madrid the pay for pilots is far far superior to that of the UK.

Vueling is known for it very low pay and poor conditions. Starting salary is 850 Euros a month, a below poverty line payrate for a family in Spain. This is also below RYR and Easyjet. Their cabin crew are also poorly paid.
This has though been discussed many times before and is prehaps best left for another thread
Read this one as its a real eye opener.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...e-gipsies.html
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...70-pilots.html

[macdo]

Vueling is like any other bottom scraping LoCo, they'll give these routes a go and if the load factors don't add up they'll pull them without a 2nd. thought. With poverty wages that would make Scrooge look generous and using an A319, it is possible that they will make a bob out if it when Baby couldn't. Whether they will have any pilots left to fly them in a years time, is another question. Personally, I hope employers like this get what they deserve.

WRT price, I compared a family price to Spain in July with Easy at BRS and found Vueling to be slight dearer after all extra costs applied.

[bycrewlgw]

Surely pay and contract conditions can be discussed under another section of this forum? Whether you like the airline or not is irrelevant. This is good news for cardiff.

[BombardierCR7]

The Vueling ALC and PMI appear to be no longer bookable.

[Cloud1]

IF they have pulled it (and I say if as I have not looked in to it) I wouldnt be surprised if its a result of Spanair's collapse. The main airlines down in Spain will be taking over or adding frequency on a number of routes and that means more aircraft may be required, other routes will get pulled to accomodate.

However CWL was only recently announced so may be its a computer blip.

[caaardiff]

Its still bookable. But for some reason ALC and PMI aren't on the list of "direct" flights, but shows direct when you select the flights.
This was a problem a few weeks back, which was rectified, but appears to be back again.
It was something to do with BCN starting in March and the others not starting until June time, so for the first few months ALC and PMI would be connections.

[fanrailuk]

Helvetic

Helvetic Summer 2012 Schedule – Cardiff to Zurich (via Bristol)
Effective: Sunday, 25 March until Friday, 26 October

Wednesday: CWL-BRS-ZRH, dep 13:45 arr 17:30
Friday: CWL-BRS-ZRH, dep 13:45 arr 17:30
Sunday: CWL-BRS-ZRH, dep 13:45 arr 17:30

Wednesday: ZRH-BRS-CWL, dep 11:20 arr 13:10
Friday: ZRH-BRS-CWL, dep 11:20 arr 13:10
Sunday: ZRH-BRS-CWL, dep 11:20 arr 13:10

Flights operated on Fokker 100
Viva! (Business Class) is available on all flights

[mathers_wales_uk]

I can confirm that this is correct and it is so good that Helvetic remains at Cardiff Airport as they offer a great quality service.

News article

[Welsh Bobby]

TCX CWL- FUE winter 2012/3

Just tried to book my annual Feb half term week in FUE from CWLwith TCX but not bookable!
can anyone confirm if it is operating next winter. Unbelievable if dropped completely when its twice weekly from mid Feb this winter!