CARDIFF - 2

[TOM100]

exactly pfffff

[AdamThePassenger]

I have a horrible feeling they have been a bit economical with the truth and that the "two" new routes are Cardiff-Norwich and Valley-Norwich (via Cardiff)

[xtypeman]

Tried that route(CWL-NWI) in AW days. It failed but the add on route NWI-DUB worked. It also failed from BRS Eastern tried it but gave up. If it was me CWL-ORK would be a reasonable one to try.

But i know nothing..........

Xtype

[MerchantVenturer]

Air Southwest was the last to try BRS-NWI - in 2006. I can't remember Eastern trying it.

Last week the Links commercial manager was quoted in the press: "We shall also on 27th January announce two new routes centred on Cardiff and Anglesey adding further opportunities to both North & South Wales."

Many people took this to mean two new routes from CWL but I suggested elsewhere last week that in the spin of the industry it would probably mean one new destination but served from both CWL and VLY - and so it's proved to be.

[Letsflycwl]

Was also hoping on another destination too, seems a bit misleading saying 2 destinations with Links Air, just hope it works for them.

Does anyone know if JER is back for summer with CityJet ?

[AdamThePassenger]

I would be very surprised if CityJet did CWL to JER again, as their CWL ops are now done by Stobart as opposed to VLM. Flybe are doing CWL to JER I think this year.

Adam

[Letsflycwl]

Out of curiosity does anyone know what aircraft is operating the VLM charter from VCE tonight ? Is it a VLM F50 or CityJet ARJ for VLM ? Seems a long leg for a F50 ??

[NewquayJacob]

The flight was operated by Fokker 50 OO-VLJ.

Also was the Aer Lingus flight to Glasgow yesterday a rugby charter?

[Letsflycwl]

I've said this on the BRS forum, CWL may now not be able to compete with BRS for European flights, however should the Welsh Government gain the tax powers & abolish APD then CEL can surely capitalise on the long haul flights.

This could quite easily (and hopefully) lead to NYC or the Middle East which the area and notably CWL need !!!

Far more exciting than a NWI flight !!

Fingers crossed

[NewquayJacob]

Could a daily B757 be filled to NYC or a daily B777 to DXB? Maybe the A321-NEO would be the best option if APD is abolished.

[Letsflycwl]

A321 Neo or B757 to NYC be a good start...not sure a daily frequency though ? YYZ be also a good reappearance on the departure board too....Air Canada Rouge ? West Jet ?

Ideally for the Middle East.....Emirates, Etihad, Qatar or even Turkish Airlines, I'm sure CWL management are on the case especially if APD gets dissolved.

And hopefully the return of long haul charters.....MCO or SFB, POP and CUN ? TOM or TCX.

[Fairdealfrank]

I've said this on the BRS forum, CWL may now not be able to compete with BRS for European flights, however should the Welsh Government gain the tax powers & abolish APD then CEL can surely capitalise on the long haul flights.

This could quite easily (and hopefully) lead to NYC or the Middle East which the area and notably CWL need !!!

Far more exciting than a NWI flight !!

Fingers crossed

Unlikely, CWL is too close to LHR and BHX to support daily year-round longhaul. Shorthaul is probably the way forward.

Could a daily B757 be filled to NYC or a daily B777 to DXB? Maybe the A321-NEO would be the best option if APD is abolished.

Seasonal NYC (and YYZ) possibly; DXB, not a chance.

Presence or absence of APD unlikely to make a difference. If APD is scrapped, the carrier may need that portion of the fare to make it pay.

A321 Neo or B757 to NYC be a good start...not sure a daily frequency though ? YYZ be also a good reappearance on the departure board too....Air Canada Rouge ? West Jet ?

Yes, possibly, but not daily and maybe seasonal?

Ideally for the Middle East.....Emirates, Etihad, Qatar or even Turkish Airlines, I'm sure CWL management are on the case especially if APD gets dissolved.

Don't see it.

And hopefully the return of long haul charters.....MCO or SFB, POP and CUN ? TOM or TCX.

That makes more sense than Mideast, again probably seasonal.


It's just gut feeling. The more that works at CWL, the better (obviously).

Could be completely wrong of course, so please feel free to pull apart.

[MerchantVenturer]

If long haul APD was devolved to Wales it would also involve long haul via hubs such as AMS. Any hope that BRS had of getting a NYC or ME service would almost certainly disappear if CWL enjoyed a low or zero rated APD rate. CWL would then become the airport of choice if any airline decided to set up long haul direct scheduled flights from Severnside. Long haul transatlantic charters, say with TOM, might be more likely initially.

I submitted a response to Letsflycwl's post in the BRS thread part of which is quoted above. Broadly it agrees with Fairdealfrank in that transatlantic charters would be the most likely benefit if APD powers were devolved to Wales, certainly in the first instance.

I don't think that either BRS or CWL has any chance in the forseeable future of getting one of the MEB3 whatever the APD state of play. Turkish Airlines to Istanbul is far more likely.

Whether a zero APD rate in Wales would swing Turkish for CWL is arguable. Given the considerably smaller and less affluent CWL catchment (than BRS) a lot more passengers would have to be found with origin/destination outside Wales

As for NYC, BRS had a daily (4-5 x weekly in winter) CO B 757-200 to EWR for over five years until late 2010 but in the end the airline could not make it pay although it did eventually founder during the depths of the recession. On a purely commercial basis (as the BRS-EWR service was operated) CWL/NYC would not have a prayer but with an indirect public subsidy such as a zero rate APD and/or a direct public subsidy such as the Wales Assembly owners oiling the wheels (they'd have to be careful of not contravening state aid rules) it might just be possible, but I still wonder where all the passengers would come from.

There is no doubt in my mind that having the ability to lower/effectively abolish APD would be a great chance, perhaps the only realistic one, for CWL to mount a real recovery and then lay the base for further growth after a dreadful seven years (with only 2013 giving some small hope that things were getting better).

[Letsflycwl]

Totally agree............a return to the long haul charters to MCO or SFB for starters, then possibly the return to CUN & POP.

Seasonal schedules to YYZ too would be a welcome return.

[CabinCrewe]

Im not really sure why if NCL-EWR is back on the cards when BRS/CWL wouldnt work- would have thought the figures would have been similar. im yet to be convinced NCL will last...

[GrahamK]

CabinCrewe,

Looking at the bookings for NCL-EWR, I'd also be surprised if it laster beyond this year. Still plenty of time before it starts though, but there is an awful lot of empty seats.

[HH6702]

It's in line with the other airports I've looked at.

Look at flights from edb and bfs to ewr
They are pretty much the same

[Romeopapa]

NewquayJacob

Said....
"The flight was operated by Fokker 50 OO-VLJ."

Most probably captained by Philthepilot.

Makes a change from all his daily trips in and out of London City/Manchester for the last decade.

Just had update from philthepilot....he says he doesn't do long haul :-)

[RayBanJockey]

Anyone know if Cardiff is planning another GA Fly-in?

[Flightrider]

The Cardiff section of the Flybe on-line timetable makes interesting reading.

Cork
BE4541 06:50 07:55 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15
BE4541 15:10 16:15 . T . . . . . - - 01-Sep-15 - 20-Oct-15

Dublin
BE4515 06:30 07:30 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15
BE4515 07:00 08:00 M T W T F . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15
BE4517 20:10 21:10 M T W T F . Su - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15

Dusseldorf
BE4533 10:15 12:40 M . W . F . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 02-Oct-15
BE7053 15:25 18:10 . . . . . Sa . - - 25-Apr-15 - 03-Oct-15

Edinburgh
BE4501 06:30 07:40 M T W T F . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15
BE4501 07:00 08:10 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 18-Oct-15
BE4501 09:45 10:55 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15
BE4503 16:20 17:30 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 18-Oct-15
BE4503 19:05 20:15 M T W T F . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15

Faro
BE4530 06:30 09:00 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 18-Oct-15
BE4530 10:05 12:35 . . . . F . . - - 04-Sep-15 - 23-Oct-15
BE4530 13:20 15:50 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15

Geneva
BE1833 11:40 14:55 . . . . . Sa . - - 07-Mar-15 - 11-Apr-15

Glasgow Intl.
BE4509 10:05 11:15 M T W T . . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 22-Oct-15
BE4509 12:45 13:55 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 18-Oct-15

Jersey
BE4507 10:30 11:15 M . . . F . . - - 01-Jun-15 - 28-Aug-15
BE1345 11:40 12:35 . . . . . Sa . - - 02-May-15 - 26-Sep-15
BE4507 18:40 19:25 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 26-Sep-15
BE4507 20:00 20:45 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 20-Sep-15

Milan Malpensa
BE4535 10:05 13:05 . T . T . . . - - 01-Sep-15 - 22-Oct-15
BE4535 10:35 13:35 . . . . . . Su - - 06-Sep-15 - 18-Oct-15

Munich
BE4537 09:50 12:45 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15
BE4537 14:10 17:05 M . W T F . . - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15

Paris CDG
BE4512 15:00 17:20 . . . . . Sa . - - 05-Sep-15 - 24-Oct-15
BE4512 16:25 18:45 M T W T F . Su - - 31-Aug-15 - 23-Oct-15

Looks like two based aircraft from the end of August. Not sure if they are Flybe's own or a franchise partner, but whatever it is must be quite nippy if it can do Cardiff-Edinburgh in 1h10. The flights aren't on sale yet but are clearly visible in the timetable section.