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You may like to know that TCX is withdrawing its own aircraft from CWL from the end of this season.
The airframe is going to STN and will be replaced by a 3rd party carrier, as yet un announced, and will be flown by foreign pilots but with TCX crew.
A sad day for the flight crews, many of whom are local and now face re-location.
The airframe is going to STN and will be replaced by a 3rd party carrier, as yet un announced, and will be flown by foreign pilots but with TCX crew.
A sad day for the flight crews, many of whom are local and now face re-location.
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It's only like we had six years ago Phileas with Skyservice at Cardiff. Aircraft was canadian registered with canadian flight deck. The cabin crew were local cabin crew.
I believe MyTravel had canadian pilots however aircraft were british registered.
If it is SmartLynx A320 then i'm afraid we need tsome positive news as 40 seat reduction per flight along with the replacement of the Thomson B757 with a B737-800 will create a capacity reduction overall at Cardiff.
I believe MyTravel had canadian pilots however aircraft were british registered.
If it is SmartLynx A320 then i'm afraid we need tsome positive news as 40 seat reduction per flight along with the replacement of the Thomson B757 with a B737-800 will create a capacity reduction overall at Cardiff.
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It still said operated by Thomas Cook Airlines too when I checked 24 hours ago so I guess Thomas Cook Airlines may not have confirmed this with Thomas Cook Holidays as I believe they are a seperate entitiy now but not 100% sure.
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Its nice to see the posters on this board displaying their usual sensitivity.
You will be disappointed if you expect the replacement to be a 321, it will not be.
Skyservice had 1 x a320 for several years at CWL in the summer, operated by Canadian Pilots and Welsh Crew. But, it was always in addition to the AIH/MYT/TCX British operated and crewed aircraft. It is also worth noting that Skyservice was connected commercially with AIH/MYT and had a reciprical agreement where UK a/c operated with British Pilots and Canadian crew in Canada during our Winter.
It is gratifying that you are excited by the arrival of another foreign a/c which will deprive more Welsh workers of skilled, well paid jobs. Lets hope they can better Veulings 800 Euro/month start money for new First Officers!
Mather_Wales_UK, your last post is incorrect. Looking online only shows the current plan, the reality is firmed up later in the year. Before that, anything can change in response to commercial demands.
You will be disappointed if you expect the replacement to be a 321, it will not be.
Skyservice had 1 x a320 for several years at CWL in the summer, operated by Canadian Pilots and Welsh Crew. But, it was always in addition to the AIH/MYT/TCX British operated and crewed aircraft. It is also worth noting that Skyservice was connected commercially with AIH/MYT and had a reciprical agreement where UK a/c operated with British Pilots and Canadian crew in Canada during our Winter.
It is gratifying that you are excited by the arrival of another foreign a/c which will deprive more Welsh workers of skilled, well paid jobs. Lets hope they can better Veulings 800 Euro/month start money for new First Officers!
Mather_Wales_UK, your last post is incorrect. Looking online only shows the current plan, the reality is firmed up later in the year. Before that, anything can change in response to commercial demands.
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My response is then not incorrect bacp as i was responding to AirGuru suggesting the aircraft is an A321 based on the seat map available. The reason the A321 seat map is still available is that the Thomas Cook Holidays website are still showing the flights being operated by Thomas Cook Airlines.
I don't think there is an excitment replacing a Thomas Cook Airlines aircraft with approximately average age of around 10 years of age compared to one in the range of 19 years of age if the operator that I have heard is to be the actual one operating it.
In one of my previous posts I actually stated that I'm concerned as there is likely to be an overall capacity reduction at Cardiff Airport next year with this news along with the swapping of the Thomson Airways B757 for a B738.
Even though cabin crew will be based locally it will mean that flight deck will have to be re-deployed elsewhere and possibly even redundancies plus there will be requirement for less cabin crew with the smaller aircraft type.
Thomas Cook Airlines offer a great service at Cardiff and the whole crew are second to none and this runs the risk of being damaged. (How they manage it when they get put on the scrap heap every winter amaze me). If we don't get a route/airline announcement for next Summer then passenger numbers will be lower in Summer 2014 compared to this year.
I don't think there is an excitment replacing a Thomas Cook Airlines aircraft with approximately average age of around 10 years of age compared to one in the range of 19 years of age if the operator that I have heard is to be the actual one operating it.
In one of my previous posts I actually stated that I'm concerned as there is likely to be an overall capacity reduction at Cardiff Airport next year with this news along with the swapping of the Thomson Airways B757 for a B738.
Even though cabin crew will be based locally it will mean that flight deck will have to be re-deployed elsewhere and possibly even redundancies plus there will be requirement for less cabin crew with the smaller aircraft type.
Thomas Cook Airlines offer a great service at Cardiff and the whole crew are second to none and this runs the risk of being damaged. (How they manage it when they get put on the scrap heap every winter amaze me). If we don't get a route/airline announcement for next Summer then passenger numbers will be lower in Summer 2014 compared to this year.
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Mathers,
I wouldn't place too much of an emphasis on 19 year old Airbuses when KLM are, three times daily, operating aircraft in and out of a manufacturer that ceased production of the type atleast 18 years ago.
Yes, I'm fully familiar with mixed crews, in a previous life we had Australian cabin crew operating the back ends of, what otherwise would have been, our CWL based aircraft.
It's this repeated referral, more recently by 'bacp', to "pilots" and "crew" as if the two are different entitities but I guess that's to do with the age and 'spotter' identity(s) of a number of the posters in this thread.
For info, if an operator brings in a third party aircraft, hull only, then it is a "dry lease", if it brings in a third party aircraft with full crew then it is a "wet lease" and/or if it brings in an aircraft with flight crew only then it is a "damp lease".
And bacp's naivity has made me laugh referring to "British pilots" in one breath and "Welsh crew" in another, I'll refrain from further comment other than that.
I wouldn't place too much of an emphasis on 19 year old Airbuses when KLM are, three times daily, operating aircraft in and out of a manufacturer that ceased production of the type atleast 18 years ago.
Yes, I'm fully familiar with mixed crews, in a previous life we had Australian cabin crew operating the back ends of, what otherwise would have been, our CWL based aircraft.
It's this repeated referral, more recently by 'bacp', to "pilots" and "crew" as if the two are different entitities but I guess that's to do with the age and 'spotter' identity(s) of a number of the posters in this thread.
For info, if an operator brings in a third party aircraft, hull only, then it is a "dry lease", if it brings in a third party aircraft with full crew then it is a "wet lease" and/or if it brings in an aircraft with flight crew only then it is a "damp lease".
And bacp's naivity has made me laugh referring to "British pilots" in one breath and "Welsh crew" in another, I'll refrain from further comment other than that.
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Surely there must be a hint of new routes from CWL for next year after all that has happened since they booted out Albertis....it really needs some sort of good news with routes........get MON in I say, they could do wonders for the place. Vueling have been great but there needs to be more routes away from Spain as not everyone wants to go to Spain !!!! Bring back the days when we had a choice of BMI, Thomson, My Travel and Excel Airways
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well last post is hopefull. bmi and exel dont exist. thomson already at cwl. my travel at cwl in the form of tommy cook. so half the good times are there already. so where is part of the good times with those that are left.???
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There are hints however these are in the form of rumours.
Sometimes I despair when people say lets gets Monarch etc in. It's not as simple as that i'm afraid. If an airline or operator are not interested in operating from Cardiff or any other airport then there is nothing that can be done to persuade them otherwise.
I know that the Cardiff Airport management team have as always been doing their best to attract new routes, airlines and operators into Cardiff and this has been seen by the increase in capacity provided this year.
Most passengers use Cardiff Airport for holidays and as always Spain has been the major part of this and can't see this changing anytime soon.
To put everything in perspective it took Cardiff Airport four years to entice Vueling to the airport.
Sometimes I despair when people say lets gets Monarch etc in. It's not as simple as that i'm afraid. If an airline or operator are not interested in operating from Cardiff or any other airport then there is nothing that can be done to persuade them otherwise.
I know that the Cardiff Airport management team have as always been doing their best to attract new routes, airlines and operators into Cardiff and this has been seen by the increase in capacity provided this year.
Most passengers use Cardiff Airport for holidays and as always Spain has been the major part of this and can't see this changing anytime soon.
To put everything in perspective it took Cardiff Airport four years to entice Vueling to the airport.
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Mather_Wales said
"It still said operated by Thomas Cook Airlines too when I checked 24 hours ago so I guess Thomas Cook Airlines may not have confirmed this with Thomas Cook Holidays as I believe they are a separate entity now but not 100% sure."
What I meant was that the TC Group Commercial Dog still wags the TC Airline tail. Even though you are correct that TCX is being allowed more autonomy, the movement of the a/c was purely a decision based on holiday sales rather than a push for more seat sales. That really is the the truth.
We may have been talking at slight cross purposes above and I appreciate your comments about the flight deck staff and crews, although no immediate redundancies are projected.
PFog
you are not there now and you weren't there in the past and you don't know a lot about the workings of TCX at CWL or its past liveries.
You should not have a pop at people who use words like British, Welsh, "pilots" and "crew" to accurately reflect the facts. These words were used to precisely reflect who did what at the time. And the terms Flight Deck and Crew are the vernacular that have been in use for as long as I can remember.
As regards dry and wet leases, suggest you look up the acronym ACMI which is the correct description of the SmartLynx operation, not that I am saying that they are the chosen operator, because I don't know that as a fact yet.
Lastly, this is my last post on this rather fractious board as I will shortly be off to pastures sunnier. I hope that CWL prospers, and I do hope that the inhabitants of this board learn to play more nicely together in the future.
All the best.
ps If you're down the threshold of 30 with your camera, I'll always smile and give you a wave.
"It still said operated by Thomas Cook Airlines too when I checked 24 hours ago so I guess Thomas Cook Airlines may not have confirmed this with Thomas Cook Holidays as I believe they are a separate entity now but not 100% sure."
What I meant was that the TC Group Commercial Dog still wags the TC Airline tail. Even though you are correct that TCX is being allowed more autonomy, the movement of the a/c was purely a decision based on holiday sales rather than a push for more seat sales. That really is the the truth.
We may have been talking at slight cross purposes above and I appreciate your comments about the flight deck staff and crews, although no immediate redundancies are projected.
PFog
you are not there now and you weren't there in the past and you don't know a lot about the workings of TCX at CWL or its past liveries.
You should not have a pop at people who use words like British, Welsh, "pilots" and "crew" to accurately reflect the facts. These words were used to precisely reflect who did what at the time. And the terms Flight Deck and Crew are the vernacular that have been in use for as long as I can remember.
As regards dry and wet leases, suggest you look up the acronym ACMI which is the correct description of the SmartLynx operation, not that I am saying that they are the chosen operator, because I don't know that as a fact yet.
Lastly, this is my last post on this rather fractious board as I will shortly be off to pastures sunnier. I hope that CWL prospers, and I do hope that the inhabitants of this board learn to play more nicely together in the future.
All the best.
ps If you're down the threshold of 30 with your camera, I'll always smile and give you a wave.
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And the terms Flight Deck and Crew are the vernacular that have been in use for as long as I can remember.
I think you'll find the terms are "Flight Deck" or "Flight Crew" and "Cabin Crew" and bring the two groups together for "Crew"
In one of my previous posts I actually stated that I'm concerned as there is likely to be an overall capacity reduction at Cardiff Airport next year with this news along with the swapping of the Thomson Airways B757 for a B738.
Even though cabin crew will be based locally it will mean that flight deck will have to be re-deployed elsewhere and possibly even redundancies plus there will be requirement for less cabin crew with the smaller aircraft type.
Even though cabin crew will be based locally it will mean that flight deck will have to be re-deployed elsewhere and possibly even redundancies plus there will be requirement for less cabin crew with the smaller aircraft type.
More TOM recruitment likely soon, not redundancies.