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At what stage do the airports/regional governments/local councils decide that the amount in subsidies is outweighed by the cost conscious pax NOT contributing to the local economy in the way that was originally expected?
What is the Ryanair fallback position?
Is the business model built on the continual quest for subsidies?
Is the whole thing a "house of cards?"
Before I get jumped on by the regulars ,it is a genuine query that has been running through my mind watching the withdrawal of (seemingly good loads out of BHD)
What is the Ryanair fallback position?
Is the business model built on the continual quest for subsidies?
Is the whole thing a "house of cards?"
Before I get jumped on by the regulars ,it is a genuine query that has been running through my mind watching the withdrawal of (seemingly good loads out of BHD)
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At what stage do the airports/regional governments/local councils decide that the amount in subsidies is outweighed by the cost conscious pax NOT contributing to the local economy in the way that was originally expected?
Having said this, Dublin is a massive destination for stag, hen and long weekends and Ryanair has played a big part in that. The Euro hasn't in recent times however.
Before I get jumped on by the regulars ,it is a genuine query that has been running through my mind watching the withdrawal of (seemingly good loads out of BHD)
There are only so many destinations that can be served within a far reduced range on an aircraft not able to use PAX capacity to it's limit.
So even if they sold 162 seats (I think that was the maximum capacity?) then the aircraft is still only flying a 86% of it's full potential. That would be fine over short distances to airports such as LPL and PIK but their costs are unit costs are higher because only one aircraft is paying for all the base costs as opposed to say 5-6 aircraft which I believe they would be up to by now had their plans come to fruition.
Hope this helps!
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After FR cuts Girona new flights from Seville (Santander, Ancona, Bordeaux, Skavsta and Ibiza) and a 3rd a/c for this base were announced.
New routes from PMI to FMM and BGY and from Almeria to CRL were also announced.
New routes from PMI to FMM and BGY and from Almeria to CRL were also announced.
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After FR cuts Girona new flights from Seville (Santander, Ancona, Bordeaux, Skavsta and Ibiza) and a 3rd a/c for this base were announced.
New routes from PMI to FMM and BGY and from Almeria to CRL were also announced.
New routes from PMI to FMM and BGY and from Almeria to CRL were also announced.
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Local press. New aircrafts in SVQ and BGY will arrive in May (when GRO goes down).
Seville: Ryanair operará este verano cuatro vuelos semanales entre Santander y Sevilla - Qué.es
BGY gets also 2 additional a/c with 4 new routes (ACE, PMI, SKG and Plovdiv). Frequencies on existing routes will also be increased (+21/7).
Ryanair, quattro nuove rotte da Orio: Lanzarote, Palma, Plovdiv e Salonicco - Bergamo città - L'Eco di Bergamo
Seville: Ryanair operará este verano cuatro vuelos semanales entre Santander y Sevilla - Qué.es
BGY gets also 2 additional a/c with 4 new routes (ACE, PMI, SKG and Plovdiv). Frequencies on existing routes will also be increased (+21/7).
Ryanair, quattro nuove rotte da Orio: Lanzarote, Palma, Plovdiv e Salonicco - Bergamo città - L'Eco di Bergamo
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Ryanair walked away because they know they can't deliver the pax numbers, they know that the days of pulling the wool over airport companies on legal loop holes are at an end and have to move into new markets where there are mugs yet to be had, give them another two years MOL will be gone and a more customer focused product will be in place and FR and Racedo will be off the pay roll
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EDI is a dark horse in the FR network as it gets another A/C this spring, which hasn't been announced but just added as the schedule has increased.
AGP/ALC will go 8 weekly (AGP 2xFR, ALC 2xSU)
PMI will go 7 weekly (2xSU) (reintroduced route)
NRN goes to 5 weekly
TRF goes to 4 weekly
TFS goes to 4 weekly
MLA goes to 3 weekly
BTS goes to 3 weekly
Re-added routes to BLL, BOD, MRS, PMI and PSA.
New routes added for the winter continue; FUE, BCN and TLL.
New 'W' pattern for EDI A/C EDI-BVA-TRN-BVA-EDI.
Some cut backs aswell, mainly in Germany in comparison to last summer.
Will be interesting how the sale of GLA will effect FR expansion at EDI. FR seem to have a very good relationship with the SNP government, and if more powers we're to be devolved including APD rights, maybe Scotland cause see more expansion in the coming years.
AGP/ALC will go 8 weekly (AGP 2xFR, ALC 2xSU)
PMI will go 7 weekly (2xSU) (reintroduced route)
NRN goes to 5 weekly
TRF goes to 4 weekly
TFS goes to 4 weekly
MLA goes to 3 weekly
BTS goes to 3 weekly
Re-added routes to BLL, BOD, MRS, PMI and PSA.
New routes added for the winter continue; FUE, BCN and TLL.
New 'W' pattern for EDI A/C EDI-BVA-TRN-BVA-EDI.
Some cut backs aswell, mainly in Germany in comparison to last summer.
Will be interesting how the sale of GLA will effect FR expansion at EDI. FR seem to have a very good relationship with the SNP government, and if more powers we're to be devolved including APD rights, maybe Scotland cause see more expansion in the coming years.
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I see today 19th feb Ryanair have two departures from STN to LPA one in the morning and one in the afternoon, is this a one off or a regular double departure ?
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half-term extras
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No doubt half-term extras, which certainly from BHX they have never done before at this time of year.
BHX had an extra LPA last night using the new LPA based aircraft and this just operates for two Fridays and the same again tonight but from the new Tenerife base.
Last Christmas was the first year BHX received extra flights and with so many aircraft sitting around in winter I am surprised it took them so long.
I am still kicking myself as the original fare on the LPA was a bargain even after all the add-ons - he who hesitates................
Pete
No doubt half-term extras, which certainly from BHX they have never done before at this time of year.
BHX had an extra LPA last night using the new LPA based aircraft and this just operates for two Fridays and the same again tonight but from the new Tenerife base.
Last Christmas was the first year BHX received extra flights and with so many aircraft sitting around in winter I am surprised it took them so long.
I am still kicking myself as the original fare on the LPA was a bargain even after all the add-ons - he who hesitates................
Pete
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Arr yer its half term, but again extra flights must mean demand is high, I wonder how Ryanair moving more into the holiday market is hurting the charter Airlines.
I do think that Ryanair could fill even more flights to TFS, LPA, ACE, FUE, IBZ, PMI, SKG AND RHO if only they would run a news paper or TV ad campain, you would be shocked to how many peope dont no that Ryanair even fly to many of the above destinations.
I do think that Ryanair could fill even more flights to TFS, LPA, ACE, FUE, IBZ, PMI, SKG AND RHO if only they would run a news paper or TV ad campain, you would be shocked to how many peope dont no that Ryanair even fly to many of the above destinations.
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Daz, I think Ryanair usually argues that the Airports themselves should fund such adverts. I know that if I was in Airport Management, I would want to keep relations strong, however difficult it may be as really can deliver the passenger volumes.
We've complained or at least grumbled on the LDY thread that the airport hasn't done any announcement about the reintroduction of Alicante, (which was moaned about so much when people thought it was cancelled in the local press.) And no word about an extra rotation to Faro and the two extra rotations to Stansted.
How's an airport to grow in a recession if there's no word about good things such as route announcements.
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Regarding Ryanair rejecting the offer from DAA, why doesn't DAA offer it to Aer Lingus instead? We do have a national airline after all!
We've complained or at least grumbled on the LDY thread that the airport hasn't done any announcement about the reintroduction of Alicante, (which was moaned about so much when people thought it was cancelled in the local press.) And no word about an extra rotation to Faro and the two extra rotations to Stansted.
How's an airport to grow in a recession if there's no word about good things such as route announcements.
Edit -
Regarding Ryanair rejecting the offer from DAA, why doesn't DAA offer it to Aer Lingus instead? We do have a national airline after all!
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I agree and dont get me started ... just take a look at BAA stansted website under NEW ROUTES ! its discusting the lack of new route infomation.
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Nothing about BABY or the new Ryanair routes to Greece.
.Nothing about BABY or the new Ryanair routes to Greece.
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I wonder how Ryanair moving more into the holiday market is hurting the charter Airlines.
An equally valid question is, I wonder how much FR moving more into the holiday market will hurt EZY, LS and ZB.
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Not a very good news from Italy. The president of the Lazio Region, Renata Polverini has confirmed the earlier decision to close the Ciampino airport "in a short time". The airport in Viterbo will become the only option for lcc's in Lazio, Polverini says. As we know, FR has been a main opponent of Viterbo. This airfield is located pretty far from Rome, and indeed, its upgrade is only in the planning phase so far.
How much authority do Polverini and Mateoli have over this, what does ADR want, and how long can FR keep operations at Ciampino by appealing through the Italian (and possibly EU) courts ?
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Ciampino
Polverini is a politician. Certainly she wants to calm all these noisy opponents of noise near Ciampino. However, if the owners of your favourite market in town just decide to close it... whatever the reason is... what can you do? Will you start a lawsuit against them?
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WTF, I must say... accordingly to Lithuanian press, tomorrow is the day when Ryanair is announcing the Vilnius base to compete with Wizz Air.
Right now FR has a two-plane + an hangar base 100 km away from VNO - at KUN.
The linked article speculates that FR is going to directly compete and fly to the same destinations as Wizz.
Right now FR has a two-plane + an hangar base 100 km away from VNO - at KUN.
The linked article speculates that FR is going to directly compete and fly to the same destinations as Wizz.