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Old 1st Aug 2012, 15:25
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The SkyTrain system in Vancouver is also automated.
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Old 1st Aug 2012, 17:13
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
you never seen the ticket inspector on the Docklands Light Railway open the panel at the front of the train and become driver because something's gone wrong with the signalling system ?
Probably close to MOL's vision: flight attendant enters the cockpit and makes some necessary adjustments.

PS. Don't blame on me, it's not my proposal.
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Old 1st Aug 2012, 19:32
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FR turning up the heat on Wizz, new route Cork to Wroclaw twice weekly from winter to compete with W6's once weekly in winter.
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Pilotless airliners will never happen, who in there right mind is going to step on a plane with no pilot it just wont happen.
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Pilotless airliners will never happen, who in there right mind is going to step on a plane with no pilot it just wont happen.
Think its a probability rather than a possibility but its a generational thing.

Quite likely it will happen with Freighters first before passenger jets.

No yet recorded case of a drunken computer seeking to board a plane.
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Some of the smartest guys on the planet are hackers. Convince me that they can't bring an aircraft down remotely and I'll think about it. If there's a problem on the DLR, well they just open the doors and let you walk to safety, now see why that anaolgy isn't a great one?
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Old 1st Aug 2012, 23:40
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Ryanair - 8

Here's a thing why doesn't hey buy some larger aircraft eg 767 take the to of the central 4 seats out , Eg make the wider isles and he can speed up boarding by having a wider isle. The doors use a combo cargo door . Might help . Or make a ' rapide ' service on a 737 take out the isle seats , have it two plus two . Widen the doors n launch ryanairmax a new quicker business sector service . Less sears so lighter to all over the shop . Try these smaller uk airports that have fewer flights .
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 09:29
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ORK new routes

Ryanair adds new routes from Cork to Poland and Lithuania - Business - Business | Ireland's online business and management news service - Businessandleadership.com

According to this article, the new routes are to Gdansk, Krakow, Warsaw, Wroclaw and Vilnius.

Obviously these routes have been chosen on their on merits after extensive research and Ryanair are in no way trying to drive Wizzair out of Ireland ...

The only Wizzair Cork route that Ryanair haven't just accidentally duplicated is Poznan (if you argue that Krakow and Katowice have a substantial overlap).

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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 10:14
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Interesting how FR are very aggressively going after Wizz at the moment having ignored them for quite a long time. Not just in Cork but also at Modlin where yields are really thin apparently. The same would also apply to Vilnius and presumably Budapest. Essentially wherever the market is weak FR will (logically) go all out to destroy the competition. Long term is there room for both Wizz and FR at the bottom end of the market in an economically-ravaged Europe?
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To be honest both Ryanair and Wizzair have been going after each other for months now in the PR stakes in Poland so it's hardly from one side only, it all seemed to step up when Wizzair started recruiting ex Ryanair communications department staff

Shortly after Wizz started flying to London from Lodz which was the first route to really compete with Ryanair and since then there has been quite a few more overlaps from both sides, as they both try and protect their strongest territory.

W6 has better brand recognition in Eastern Europe, but a lot of people in Western Europe have not even heard of them, unless they have emigrated from Eastern Europe and I suspect Ryanair is trying to play on this because FR tends to have a better mix of tourists and people returning home on their flights, whereas W6 flights tend to be almost fully Polish people on Polish flights.

Wizz are now saying they are more transparent with pricing as they include card surcharges in headline price, but it's 2 euro per flight more expensive than Ryanair, luggage in the winter is more expensive (fuel surcharged) and you have to join the Wizz Xclusive Club for 30 euro a year to get the best prices.
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 13:06
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Ryanair in conflict with Local Authorities in Turin (Italy), newspapers talk about possible cancellation of winter flights from TRN, if incentives are not granted.

One year ago Ryanair was negotiating a base in Turin airport TRN, the negotiation failed in february.
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Perhaps a more modest move on a future aircraft designed with this in mind to one of primary pilot, plus a secondary pilot who spends part of their time (i.e. busier or higher risk stages such as takeoff + landing or where quick diversion to safety is more difficult) in the pointy end, and the remainder of their time in the passenger cabin helping the rest of the cabin crew might be slightly more acceptable ? There will of course be numerous challenges in making this both viable and safe, but it should be achievable
That'll never happen. There are two of us in the fd of aircraft for numerous reasons. What about pilot incapacitation?

Pilot dies on flight from Manchester to Cyprus - Telegraph

Also take the recent JetBlue incident in the USA. Imagine that skipper flying single pilot. He could possibly have wiped out hundreds. There are many valid reasons for two FD crew.

"Under aviation regulations, two pilots are required to be in the cockpit of a commercial flight at any one time for the safety of passengers and crew. The need for three qualified pilots is dictated by the length of the flight."

These aircraft are designed and legally obliged to be flown two crew.

Would you be happy with one person up front?

Plane forced to land after co-pilot fell unconscious.(News) - Daily Mail (London) | HighBeam Research

Ever Wonder What Would Happen If The Pilot Died? Happens More Then You Think | Trifter

Ryanair pilot suggests cheap replacement for boss Michael O'Leary | Business | guardian.co.uk

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"Under CURRENT aviation regulations, two pilots are required to be in the cockpit of a commercial flight at any one time for the safety of passengers and crew. The need for three qualified pilots is dictated by the length of the flight."
Because it is exists in regulations now doesn't mean it will in the future.
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i see m.ryanair.com is under development
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 20:48
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So who are they going to blame when the first pilotless aircraft spears into the middle of a city like London? The software engineers?

How will the software deal with a multiple bird strike and loss of all engines like Sully and crew had to deal with and plonk it in the Hudson?
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How will the software deal with a multiple bird strike and loss of all engines like Sully and crew had to deal with and plonk it in the Hudson?
How about dealing with the bird issue before it happens ?

Bird strike at take off or landing is result of airport not ensuring its field is clear along flight path.
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It's not going to happen face it.
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 21:01
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Bird strike at take off or landing is result of airport not ensuring its field is clear along flight path.
The Sully birdstrike was not in the immediate vicinity of the airport (ie within the boundaries of same) - how would you prevent birdstrikes at circa 2,000/3000 ft?
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Unmanned flight trials begin - Telegraph

Course not which is why BAE is spending millions on it.
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Course not which is why BAE is spending millions on it.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest but, in my opinion, pilotless passenger aircraft in their present form are decades away - there are just too many variables to be able to do it safely without some sort of trained human being in the sharp end.

But of course the herd think it's all automatic already.

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