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FR to opened there first pop up shop in Manchester city centre. It will be open for a period of 4 weeks and if anybody finds cheeper flights into MAN than FR's they will pay for the flights.
This to me suggestes there MAN base could be struggling....anyone else think the same. What are LF on routes particualy the middle of nowhere routes HHN,FMM.
This to me suggestes there MAN base could be struggling....anyone else think the same. What are LF on routes particualy the middle of nowhere routes HHN,FMM.
No, they are just using nifty marketing.
No doubt the serial protestor whose daughter couldn't cut it as flight crew will pay them a visit soon enough but then that would be a police matter.
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No doubt the serial protestor whose daughter couldn't cut it as flight crew will pay them a visit soon enough but then that would be a police matter.
Assuming the latter, if he is dragged kicking and screaming, more publicity for Ryanair, sounds like a rather pointless campaign to me, especially as if his daughter is so peeved, she should be the one protesting.
The shop itself is an interesting case of what goes around comes around. What is difference between this and IT companies with high street branches? Contractually, FR pay no-one, but if the premises is being set up to put bums on seats, they must be able to work out an effective "cost per sale" for it. I suspect it is more a case of additional publicity rather than a directly profitable venture to roll out in every town where they have a base, although if they are also drawing people in for a credit card, hire car and whatever else, maybe they have a model to build on?
I'd just love to know what the handling fee would be for paying for a flight in .................... cash!
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Right, back to reason why I came back to this thread.
I'm sure it has been asked before, but I've never seen a technical answer.
Given they still sell flights as low as €9, FR must get their fair share of no shows - surely at least 2-3 on each flight. Why then do they still stick to a no overbook policy? Could that not "slot in" 2 potentially higher yielding passengers, offset by the off-chance of 190 or more people showing up.
I've seen the rush forwards at JFK for the voluntary no shows, but in many of these cases, there'd be another departure within an hour or two. Is that the reason, or does it boil down to risk that if 190 did show up, they'd only know when pax 190 showed up at the gate at the back of the queue.
Yet another reason to enforce the requirement to be at the gate 20 mins before departure?
I'm sure it has been asked before, but I've never seen a technical answer.
Given they still sell flights as low as €9, FR must get their fair share of no shows - surely at least 2-3 on each flight. Why then do they still stick to a no overbook policy? Could that not "slot in" 2 potentially higher yielding passengers, offset by the off-chance of 190 or more people showing up.
I've seen the rush forwards at JFK for the voluntary no shows, but in many of these cases, there'd be another departure within an hour or two. Is that the reason, or does it boil down to risk that if 190 did show up, they'd only know when pax 190 showed up at the gate at the back of the queue.
Yet another reason to enforce the requirement to be at the gate 20 mins before departure?
Would that not depend where the shop was? Shopping centre = private property. Fronting street, subject to city centre management regime, might need a bit more admin to move him on?
The shop itself is an interesting case of what goes around comes around. What is difference between this and IT companies with high street branches? Contractually, FR pay no-one, but if the premises is being set up to put bums on seats, they must be able to work out an effective "cost per sale" for it. I suspect it is more a case of additional publicity rather than a directly profitable venture to roll out in every town where they have a base, although if they are also drawing people in for a credit card, hire car and whatever else, maybe they have a model to build on?
I'd just love to know what the handling fee would be for paying for a flight in .................... cash!
I'd just love to know what the handling fee would be for paying for a flight in .................... cash!
Every seat sold will reduce the cost but if it works then opens up the possibility of its use in short term marketing campaigns in major sites.
Given the state of UK retail space then Landlords are more than happy to talk to anybody who will pay rent even for short periods of time hence why you see virtual shops opening up for Christmas. Likely a post Christmas opportunity I would say for January sales.
Its innovative but definitely a short term phenomena in a single location.
I've seen the rush forwards at JFK for the voluntary no shows, but in many of these cases, there'd be another departure within an hour or two. Is that the reason, or does it boil down to risk that if 190 did show up, they'd only know when pax 190 showed up at the gate at the back of the queue.
Yet another reason to enforce the requirement to be at the gate 20 mins before departure?
Yet another reason to enforce the requirement to be at the gate 20 mins before departure?
Then you would have to get person through security and to aircraft without compromising on time departure.
While extra revenue may be lucrative, I'm not convinced why you would sacrifice key selling point for it if it screws up total operation.
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A difficult one as need to check in online minimum 4 hours in advance and then if not on line checkin closes 40 mins before flight departure so would only know 40 mins before departure whether you have seats available.
Speaking of which, I'm booked TRS-BHX next Thurs. Still don't know if I can make it. Afaik, there isn't even a "voluntary surrender" option to LET FR re-sell my seat if I KNOW I won't turn up. (Please advise if I am wrong there)
Unlike a return ticket on a legacy carrier, where failure to show for one leg can invalidate the whole ticket, all Ryanair sectors are single contracts.
Maybe there isn't even a mechanism to allow 190 people to check in for a 189 seat flight - after all, the next logical step would be to play musical chairs, and if there was one person too many, you booted the last one standing off the aircraft.
There was a case like this a few months ago, but it was because pax had a child with 2nd birthday while they were away, so it needed own seat.
If there's a problem with counting how many passengers actually turn up at the gate compared to the 189 seats available, why not just make an announcement at the gate before (pre-)boarding starts to the effect of
"We may be able to offer some passengers who are flying without checked-in luggage 300 euros (or whatever the EU261 amount is) plus a free scratchcard for those willing to fly tomorrow instead. If you would be interested in this offer, please wait until the back of the queue and we will advise you if this is available"
If seats are still available, the response at the gate to those volunteers is "Sorry - we were overwhelmed by demand and the offer has now expired".
"We may be able to offer some passengers who are flying without checked-in luggage 300 euros (or whatever the EU261 amount is) plus a free scratchcard for those willing to fly tomorrow instead. If you would be interested in this offer, please wait until the back of the queue and we will advise you if this is available"
If seats are still available, the response at the gate to those volunteers is "Sorry - we were overwhelmed by demand and the offer has now expired".
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Then you have just given over the control of some of your revenue to a non Ryanair employed person at the gate who
1.) may not make the announcement and
2.) get their friends to overbook on the basis of getting freecash of £300 for their £9 fare.
Response back would be "But" you allow them to collect revenue for oversized bags but that follows a process where Ryanair receipts given out which is easily checkable / verified v extra bags loaded onto aircraft.
It seems a lot of additional effort to gain not a lot and upset passengers because Uncle Dave couldn't get home in time with rest of family who then calls Daily Mail because he wanted £500 instead of the £300 he got.
Then you have just given over the control of some of your revenue to a non Ryanair employed person at the gate who
1.) may not make the announcement and
2.) get their friends to overbook on the basis of getting freecash of £300 for their £9 fare.
Response back would be "But" you allow them to collect revenue for oversized bags but that follows a process where Ryanair receipts given out which is easily checkable / verified v extra bags loaded onto aircraft.
It seems a lot of additional effort to gain not a lot and upset passengers because Uncle Dave couldn't get home in time with rest of family who then calls Daily Mail because he wanted £500 instead of the £300 he got.
racedo - if we assume FR were to overbook, then the pre-departure passenger count should be able to verify how many bums are actually on seats. Less than 189 bums mean that nobody should have been receiving 300 euro payouts.
Furthermore, those 9 euro fares are not usually available for sale less than a month in advance of departure. Assuming overbooking calibration were to be set so that denied boarding occurs on less than 2% of flights, it would be very difficult to target specific flights in the expectation that they will be overbooked, making fraud actually quite difficult to achieve profitably and consistently. I accept that when tickets could be purchased for less than 1 euro, the ratio of fare : compensation makes it theoretically much easier to achieve profitable overbooking fraud, but 1 euro tickets on FR seem to have pretty much vanished.
Finally, when overbooking occurs and denied boarding becomes necessary, the broadcast offer of 300 euros (no, not a voucher) almost always finds someone who decides they can voluntarily wait a day to fly, minimising the "have a public moan with the Daily Mail" risk
Furthermore, those 9 euro fares are not usually available for sale less than a month in advance of departure. Assuming overbooking calibration were to be set so that denied boarding occurs on less than 2% of flights, it would be very difficult to target specific flights in the expectation that they will be overbooked, making fraud actually quite difficult to achieve profitably and consistently. I accept that when tickets could be purchased for less than 1 euro, the ratio of fare : compensation makes it theoretically much easier to achieve profitable overbooking fraud, but 1 euro tickets on FR seem to have pretty much vanished.
Finally, when overbooking occurs and denied boarding becomes necessary, the broadcast offer of 300 euros (no, not a voucher) almost always finds someone who decides they can voluntarily wait a day to fly, minimising the "have a public moan with the Daily Mail" risk
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What about the (e.g.) 5€/£ "cashback" for pax who'd bother to announce via internet: no, I'm not coming, I will leave my flight ticket unused; perhaps it could be worth considering as a cost-effective measure? The last/last-minute tickets are the most expensive ones...
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MAN base loads
What are LF on routes particularly the middle of nowhere routes HHN,FMM
The MAN base loads are a real mixed bag. With the usual caveats about loads and yields, here are the best and worst for the year so far, for the routes where Ryanair have no competition:
Best: Valencia, Rzeszow, Tallinn, Rome CIA, Girona, Katowice
Worst: Paris BVA, Tours, Hahn (56% flown load factor), Memmingen (50%), Brussels CRL (47%)
What about the (e.g.) 5€/£ "cashback" for pax who'd bother to announce via internet: no, I'm not coming, I will leave my flight ticket unused; perhaps it could be worth considering as a cost-effective measure? The last/last-minute tickets are the most expensive ones...
Finally, when overbooking occurs and denied boarding becomes necessary, the broadcast offer of 300 euros (no, not a voucher) almost always finds someone who decides they can voluntarily wait a day to fly, minimising the "have a public moan with the Daily Mail" risk
As I said to Pee on other post IF you add complications then it starts to cost both to control and collect and the revenue generated must exceed the cost by a substantial margin to even consider it. I doubt whether it would pay the effort put into it but would be an interesting experiment.
As pax can change flights anyway then nowt stopping them doing so............at a cost.