MANCHESTER - 8

[Hamburg 2K8]

Thanks for the info 750XL. But do we know the reason why anyone? And is this a new ILS system or did they not replace this too?

On another note, have there been re-alignments of the gates in Pier B T1? Reason I ask is that a few weeks ago when I went to Egypt with EZY we made our way to the allocated gate which was on the screen as gate 3, but when we got there I noticed our A320 was parked up on stand 2 and there was no aircraft on stand 3, we then made our way downstairs and into a "holding area" with some seats and boarding started quickly and was efficient, quite a nice and decent size (looked new) area for the amount of passengers on our flight. Came back a week later parked on stand 1, first time arriving in T1 for about 2 years and was impressed with the immigration hall, looks much nicer and brighter, efficient again (at 3AM and 1 flight in front and 1 behind us) and bags were collected about 10mins later, outside T1 and in taxi 30mins after parking on stand. Shame the outside of Pier B isn’t as nice and clean as the inside.

I'm so glad FR are not in this terminal!

Evening All.

　

　

　

　

　

[MKY661]

Maybe they are doing something to it. I know they refurbished it not long ago. The only probelm I have with Pier B is that its very narrow. Since EZY have moved in it looks to have been a lot more busier than Pier C. When ive flon in and out I find that Pier B is full of Jet2 and EasyJet whilst Pier C is practically dead.

[JSCL]

Exclusive: Runaway boy, 11, jets to Rome alone after slipping through security at Manchester Airport | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk - more fun at MAN it seems

[easyflyer83]

Pier B's Eastern exterior looks fine but the Western side (the side with the airbridges) doesn't look great. Internally, the pier looks and feels fairly pleasant on the first floor but underneath in the corridors and stair ways below isn't great.

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by JSCL

Exclusive: Runaway boy, 11, jets to Rome alone after slipping through security at Manchester Airport | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk - more fun at MAN it seems

Not brilliant that this happened at all, but so many people are coming out of the wood work and using terms like "passport control" and "security breach" etc.

The BBC talking head said something like "think of how many times you show a passport at an airport these days". The answer is either once or twice. Once at the check in desk and once at the gate. Or, if you check in online, just once, at the gate. That's not excessive, it's perfectly sensible (which makes me wonder why people never have it ready at the gate). There are no immigration checks on exit from the UK any more, the people at the gate are checking you can enter the next country. Security just want to see a boarding pass, they don't care who you are, they just need to know you're on a flight that day and don't have anything malicious in your hand baggage. Many people have their passport out thinking it will be checked, but it never is, yet they still think that is "passport control" and for some reason refer to it as such.

There were 3 failures at MAN, of course, the first was him getting through security without a boarding pass, however, the boy still went airside after going through the required level of checks, so he was not a threat in the way that the news will make him out to have been. The second failure was at the gate where he slipped through and the third was on board, where a simple head count would have sorted this out in about 10 minutes.

[easyflyer83]

Not all airlines do head counts though.

[EuroWings]

Security just want to see a boarding pass, they don't care who you are, they just need to know you're on a flight that day and don't have anything malicious in your hand baggage. Many people have their passport out thinking it will be checked, but it never is, yet they still think that is "passport control" and for some reason refer to it as such.

Indeed, security checkpoints at airports in the UK and much of Europe are only interested in seeing boarding passes. The same is not true in America, however, where ID/passport checks are mandatory at security.

Traditionally, boarding passes were checked by dedicated staff at desks and they still are at numerous airports (including Liverpool down the road). However, Manchester seems to have introduced a new procedure in the last year or so, where the actual security screeners check boarding passes as you are putting your belongings in a tray to be scanned. Gatwick has "railway style" automated barriers to check boarding passes and I seem to remember that these disappeared from Manchester.

[TSR2]

Gatwick has "railway style" automated barriers to check boarding passes and I seem to remember that these disappeared from Manchester.

Don't remember Manchester ever having automated barriers.

Sky News this morning showed an animation of the route taken through the airport by the 11 year old boy. It clearly showed the first check point as 'Passport Control'.

[Skipness One Echo]

The Manchester procedure is annoying as people who fly often expect things done logically. MAN feels very geared for the once a year flyer like LGW used to be. The logic jars at MAN IMHO.

[MKY661]

Gatwick has "railway style" automated barriers to check boarding passes and I seem to remember that these disappeared from Manchester.

I remember these in T1 (not sure if they were put in the other terminals) but they got removed because apparently it was damaging the borading cards. Thats what one of the security staff told me anyway.

[LBIA]

Jet2 have just confirmed that head counts will now to become mandatory after boarding off all flights, this is following the incident at Manchester yesterday.

[TartinTon]

I thought they already were for all airlines? Otherwise what's to stop someone checking in a malicious bag and then not turning up?

Can't remember a flight I've been on when a headcount wasn't carried out.

If J2 weren't ( as your post seems to suggest) then they need a serious kick up the backside.

[Mouser]

The little bastard that run away from his mother needs the boot up the arse.

[leisurelad]

The gate staff will be the ones doing a passenger count, if all the boarding cards have been scanned or counted at the gate, many see this is enough, i only ever done a head count if there was a discrepancy at the gate.
Not alot of airlines do head counts although i presume this will now be re-introduced.

[OltonPete]

flybe Brussels

Anybody know what is happening with the flybe Brussels?

Last flight bookable on the flybe site 9/9/12 same as the BHX-HAM.

Is this aircraft required for the new EDI or GLA to EMA which start the day after?

One GDS system shows it still bookable for winter but the flybe website does not. The combined FR/SN/BE passenger figures in June were amazing but I assume FR CRL are affecting yields on the BRU flights?

Pete

[Ernest Lanc's]

Not alot of airlines do head counts although i presume this will now be re-introduced.

I am sure JET2 do headcounts...I know EZY or FR did at Easter when I flew from Liverpool.
Yes..I am 99.99% that jet2 also do headcounts.

I am flying from MAN on Monday with LS, can't say this incident gives me confidence in either.In particular Jet2...Could have been anyone.

[RoyHudd]

I cannot envisage a terrorist attaching him/ herself to a family travelling on holiday! So although the checks were inadequate, one has to think of the profile of an unarmed terrorist. And it is not that of a young child.

[LBIA]

It hadn't been mandatory to do head counts on aircraft parked on an airbridge stands as ground staff have accounted for all passengers going through the gate. Only flights that have been parked on remote stands were passengers have had to walk on or been bussed to the aircraft have been head counted up until now.

[cu nim]

I cannot envisage a terrorist attaching him/ herself to a family travelling on holiday! So although the checks were inadequate, one has to think of the profile of an unarmed terrorist. And it is not that of a young child.

You wouldn't like to put your money on that would you.
It was carried out a number of years ago in Afghanistan although it was a coach.
The young bomber killed fifteen Ruskies he was nine years old and traveling with a supposed family .

[rampman]

I cannot envisage a terrorist attaching him/ herself to a family travelling on holiday! So although the checks were inadequate, one has to think of the profile of an unarmed terrorist. And it is not that of a young child.


Think again about what you say .. i was in afghan last year and there was two bombings carried out .. one was a 11 year old boy and the other was a 9 year old girl ... made my heart skip a beat when i heard the news of the 11 year old at manchester