MANCHESTER - 8

[One Sixty until 4.]

I know we have a number of services now to some of the destinations you quote, but some of those services are only very recent (Lisbon with TAP, Madrid with Iberia/easyJet/Ryanair). Time will tell if they are to remain.

I was also thinking of Warsaw and Vienna, but also Prague, Berlin, Rome and Milan. I accept that there are lo-cos operating to these destinations, but I was referring to MAN losing mainline operators where they start but find the loads just aren't there for their cost base to sustain.

Perhaps we can agree that whoever operates a service to wherever is a good thing? ANA 787s to Narita in 2013 anyone?

[delta154]

I was also thinking of Warsaw and Vienna, but also Prague, Berlin, Rome and Milan. I accept that there are lo-cos operating to these destinations, but I was referring to MAN losing mainline operators where they start but find the loads just aren't there for their cost base to sustain

Well, the way the markets and services are changing, loco's to Europe are becoming as good a choice to Europe as the mainline carriers. I know the lack of carriage of free bags is an obvious side affect of loco travel, but, in terms of meal service, Im pretty sure people could become accustom to not having a hot meal on a 3 hour flight.

Also, the problem MAN had was the emergance of loco's at nearby airports. What was the point of say, LOT trying a service that costs £250 each way when you can take a train for about £20 to Liverpool and get cheap flights to more points in Poland? It just wasn't going to happen.

Slowly, the carriers are coming back as they are adjusting their service and going after different markets. Case example being IB on MAN-MAD
Yes, we have 3 carriers on Madrid once again. However, Iberia is more concerned with MAN-MAD-XXX than purely MAN-MAD, and easyjet probably takes the higher end leisure/business travellers, whilst Ryanair takes the lower yielding leisure passengers. Can MAN sustain 17 weekly flights, Probably. However, with all 3 flights leaving within pretty much the same time frame, timings will likely change.

TAP, im sure will be fine, in fact, the MAN online timetable has them going to a daily operation from 29th May, so, they must be doing ok.

[Ian Brooks]

I think you will find that TAP are going up from 5/6 a week to daily next summer
Madrid seems to be doing OK in its 1st week 50% plus loads I am told
FR are well chuffed with their new routes so far

Ian B

[Hamburg 2K8]

Now that 23R/05L is back on CAT3 ops is the work all complete? I'm looking forward to seeing it, can't remember the last time I saw it fully tarmaced rather than all grey with just black tyre marks in the centre.

On another note - as KLM are moving to T3 from 12th dec, are there any plans for LX & LH to follow suit?

[brian_dromey]

I don't imagine LH/LX will be moving, now that BD will be shortly leaving the LH Group. Indeed, I would assume we will see SN moving to T1 at some point.

[LN-KGL]

delta154:
And without being snobby and realising Low cost carriers are a viable alternative, we have:

Olso on Norwegian

Norwegian is a different breed than the main stream LOCO carriers since it is possible to get transit tickets and it is therefore possible to get ticket from MAN to 85 of 105 destinations Norwegian fly to with one or two stops in addition to the direct destination OSL. On transit routes Norwegian brings both you and your baggage through to your final destination. The only exception from this rule is if you are traveling to a Norwegian destination. Then you have to clear the baggage through customs yourself and check in again the baggage for the Norwegian domestic leg. The consolation is that if you are flying with a mainline carrier like SAS you have to do the same.

[delta154]

Norwegian is a different breed than the main stream LOCO carriers since it is possible to get transit tickets and it is therefore possible to get ticket from MAN to 85 of 105 destinations Norwegian fly

Yes this is one thing I like about Norwegian. I had to research LGW-Oulu for someone and Norwegian was the main option (pretty sure it was via OSL but memory fails me).

If only easyjet or Ryanir, with such an extensive covering of Europe from various bases could do this.

[LN-KGL]

I had to research LGW-Oulu for someone and Norwegian was the main option (pretty sure it was via OSL but memory fails me).

I am pretty sure it was via their latest base at Helsinki (with a short night stop at HEL to Oulu)

[zfw]

Nope LH/BD staying where they are, however there maybe other moves early next year..............

zfw

[The96er]

Nope LH/BD staying where they are, however there maybe other moves early next year..............

Ryanair perhaps ??

[MKY661]

Doubt it. I think they like T2

[Ringwayman]

They'd prefer anywhere else. 25 minute turnround which include the long taxiing times from runway to gate? They'll be luck to be on stand for 15/20 minutes and to deplane and enplane the best part of 300 passengers at a time is pushing it.

[750XL]

Strong rumours of Ryanair moving to T3 in the future. Not only does it offer better taxi times, T3 is a lot better set up for lo-co's

[Skipness One Echo]

25 minute turnround which include the long taxiing times from runway to gate?

The 25 minute turnaround time is block to block. The same applies to Gatwick which is comparably busier.

[Mr A Tis]

..and wasn't the RYR "deal" that they move to T2 to take up the afternoon/evening slack over there?
Given that Baby have gone from T3 & EZY about to, surely the trend is the other way.
Maybe Delta will join Air France / KLM making T3 Skyteam & One world. T1 being star alliance.?

[FR-]

Anyone able to comment on what the loads are like on Ryanair flights so far?

fr-

[Espada III]

EZY move

Which terminal will EZY be in by 15 December? Flying that day and don't want to get caught out.

[jubilee]

Fr loads on the new routes are by and large good. Figures on another forum.

EZY moving to T1. from end of this month.
J.

[Espada III]

Thank you!

[Ian Brooks]

Most FR flights in excess of 120 pax so I would say doing very well


Ian B